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Post by carol on Feb 12, 2014 0:24:57 GMT -5
I was spanked occasionally as a child. I'm not psychologically damaged because of it. I see nothing wrong with a spanking if it is warranted. A time out doesn't always work. That is the problem with many kids today. They are given no consequences for misbehaving.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 9:06:23 GMT -5
I was spanked occasionally as a child. I'm not psychologically damaged because of it. I see nothing wrong with a spanking if it is warranted. A time out doesn't always work. That is the problem with many kids today. They are given no consequences for misbehaving.In many cases (but not all) Agreed! Many kids today are more spoiled than even our generation was. My wife was a teacher in HK, and the kids there were so well behaved and respected their teacher. When she taught in Canada, many little kids talked back to her, swore at her, even telling her they were gonna get their lawyer dad to sue her, because my wife gave the kid a time out. Unbelievable! The word "respect your elders" is going the way of the dodo bird...the phrase will become extinct one day!
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Post by Brenda on Feb 12, 2014 10:13:30 GMT -5
I taught school for many years, and I saw many changes in attitudes over those years. I think the biggest problem with kids today is that they are so indulged. Parents don't want their children to experience any kind of disappointment. They have to buy them the latest gadget. If the neighbors' kids have something, their kids have to have it too. Many schools no longer have an "honor roll" because it will disappoint the kids who didn't make the honor roll. On sports teams, everybody gets a medal, not just the winners. The school where I taught used to have a "student of the month" from each classroom, based on behavior and good citizenship, but we had to stop doing that because the parents of the kids who never made it complained so much about how it hurt their kids' feelings. As a result of all this, teachers constantly hear from kids, "That's not fair," whenever one student receives some sort of recognition that the others don't receive.
I think this attitude has led to a lot of the disrespect we see today. Kids not only disrespect their teachers, they disrespect their parents. I've seen kids hit and kick their parents with absolutely no repercussions. I had a mother come to school to pick up her first grader for a dentist appointment once, and the little girl told her mother "no" and refused to go. When the mother tried to force her, the child slapped her mother in the face. The mother did eventually get her out of the classroom (kicking and screaming), but I have no idea whether they made it to the dentist or not.
I think children need to respect their parents and others in authority, and a big part of that has to do with obedience which should be taught long before the child goes to school. Sometimes that obedience must be taught with punishment of some sort, and I think it is up to the parents to decide what kind of punishment is best for their own family, whether it's a spanking or a time out or a loss of privilege of some sort. I think most families in the era of The Waltons probably spanked their children, but for the most part, those children grew up okay and loved and respected their parents. They learned the value of hard work and they learned that life comes with disappointment. They became "the greatest generation" who won World War 2 and created a prosperous middle class back in the 1950s and 60s. Those depression era parents did something right that parents today could take a lesson from.
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Post by JeriJet on Feb 12, 2014 10:27:10 GMT -5
You describe the situation perfectly, Brenda. Thank you. What I don't get is that, assuming many parents and other folks do indeed know that you're right, how are we ever going to make the "big changes" necessary?? There doesn't seem to be any real push aimed at improving the situation. Instead, we hear a lot about "core curriculum" and the need for more funds, and such.... That's not going to help the kids, nor the teachers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 12:33:01 GMT -5
I taught school for many years, and I saw many changes in attitudes over those years. I think the biggest problem with kids today is that they are so indulged. Parents don't want their children to experience any kind of disappointment. They have to buy them the latest gadget. If the neighbors' kids have something, their kids have to have it too. Many schools no longer have an "honor roll" because it will disappoint the kids who didn't make the honor roll. On sports teams, everybody gets a medal, not just the winners. The school where I taught used to have a "student of the month" from each classroom, based on behavior and good citizenship, but we had to stop doing that because the parents of the kids who never made it complained so much about how it hurt their kids' feelings. As a result of all this, teachers constantly hear from kids, "That's not fair," whenever one student receives some sort of recognition that the others don't receive. I think this attitude has led to a lot of the disrespect we see today. Kids not only disrespect their teachers, they disrespect their parents. I've seen kids hit and kick their parents with absolutely no repercussions. I had a mother come to school to pick up her first grader for a dentist appointment once, and the little girl told her mother "no" and refused to go. When the mother tried to force her, the child slapped her mother in the face. The mother did eventually get her out of the classroom (kicking and screaming), but I have no idea whether they made it to the dentist or not. I think children need to respect their parents and others in authority, and a big part of that has to do with obedience which should be taught long before the child goes to school. Sometimes that obedience must be taught with punishment of some sort, and I think it is up to the parents to decide what kind of punishment is best for their own family, whether it's a spanking or a time out or a loss of privilege of some sort. I think most families in the era of The Waltons probably spanked their children, but for the most part, those children grew up okay and loved and respected their parents. They learned the value of hard work and they learned that life comes with disappointment. They became "the greatest generation" who won World War 2 and created a prosperous middle class back in the 1950s and 60s. Those depression era parents did something right that parents today could take a lesson from. (Claps) Your post is one the few I'd like to click "like" more than once.
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Post by coriscapnskip on Feb 12, 2014 15:59:00 GMT -5
Dowsee, I was just about to search for that cartoon so I could post it!
"Jim-Bob, that's an F! And I don't think it stands for funny."
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Post by patriciaanne on Feb 13, 2014 9:53:02 GMT -5
I taught school for many years, and I saw many changes in attitudes over those years. I think the biggest problem with kids today is that they are so indulged. Parents don't want their children to experience any kind of disappointment. They have to buy them the latest gadget. If the neighbors' kids have something, their kids have to have it too. Many schools no longer have an "honor roll" because it will disappoint the kids who didn't make the honor roll. On sports teams, everybody gets a medal, not just the winners. The school where I taught used to have a "student of the month" from each classroom, based on behavior and good citizenship, but we had to stop doing that because the parents of the kids who never made it complained so much about how it hurt their kids' feelings. As a result of all this, teachers constantly hear from kids, "That's not fair," whenever one student receives some sort of recognition that the others don't receive. I think this attitude has led to a lot of the disrespect we see today. Kids not only disrespect their teachers, they disrespect their parents. I've seen kids hit and kick their parents with absolutely no repercussions. I had a mother come to school to pick up her first grader for a dentist appointment once, and the little girl told her mother "no" and refused to go. When the mother tried to force her, the child slapped her mother in the face. The mother did eventually get her out of the classroom (kicking and screaming), but I have no idea whether they made it to the dentist or not. I think children need to respect their parents and others in authority, and a big part of that has to do with obedience which should be taught long before the child goes to school. Sometimes that obedience must be taught with punishment of some sort, and I think it is up to the parents to decide what kind of punishment is best for their own family, whether it's a spanking or a time out or a loss of privilege of some sort. I think most families in the era of The Waltons probably spanked their children, but for the most part, those children grew up okay and loved and respected their parents. They learned the value of hard work and they learned that life comes with disappointment. They became "the greatest generation" who won World War 2 and created a prosperous middle class back in the 1950s and 60s. Those depression era parents did something right that parents today could take a lesson from. Brenda, I couldn't agree more. I always said I would have been perfectly suited to be a parent, because I have "no real need to be liked." Fortunately, my mother didn't have much of a need to be liked, either. And believe me...many days I did NOT like her. LOL I think it is completely ridiculous that parents today think their kids should never have a moment of discomfort or disappointment in their lives. Honestly, they are doing their kids and society such a disservice. They have no idea what their kids are losing out on--the ability to learn restraint and the accomplishments that come with delayed gratification, the confidence that comes with overcoming obstacles on one's own and the pride in TRUE accomplishment and reward. The virtue of good, hard work that tires you out and makes you feel good all at the same time. And most of all--the gift of self reliance and the knowledge that "I can handle anything that life throws my way." I wouldn't change places with one of those over-indulged, spoiled, sheltered kids for all the money in the world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 13:34:01 GMT -5
I taught school for many years, and I saw many changes in attitudes over those years. I think the biggest problem with kids today is that they are so indulged. Parents don't want their children to experience any kind of disappointment. They have to buy them the latest gadget. If the neighbors' kids have something, their kids have to have it too. Many schools no longer have an "honor roll" because it will disappoint the kids who didn't make the honor roll. On sports teams, everybody gets a medal, not just the winners. The school where I taught used to have a "student of the month" from each classroom, based on behavior and good citizenship, but we had to stop doing that because the parents of the kids who never made it complained so much about how it hurt their kids' feelings. As a result of all this, teachers constantly hear from kids, "That's not fair," whenever one student receives some sort of recognition that the others don't receive. I think this attitude has led to a lot of the disrespect we see today. Kids not only disrespect their teachers, they disrespect their parents. I've seen kids hit and kick their parents with absolutely no repercussions. I had a mother come to school to pick up her first grader for a dentist appointment once, and the little girl told her mother "no" and refused to go. When the mother tried to force her, the child slapped her mother in the face. The mother did eventually get her out of the classroom (kicking and screaming), but I have no idea whether they made it to the dentist or not. I think children need to respect their parents and others in authority, and a big part of that has to do with obedience which should be taught long before the child goes to school. Sometimes that obedience must be taught with punishment of some sort, and I think it is up to the parents to decide what kind of punishment is best for their own family, whether it's a spanking or a time out or a loss of privilege of some sort. I think most families in the era of The Waltons probably spanked their children, but for the most part, those children grew up okay and loved and respected their parents. They learned the value of hard work and they learned that life comes with disappointment. They became "the greatest generation" who won World War 2 and created a prosperous middle class back in the 1950s and 60s. Those depression era parents did something right that parents today could take a lesson from. Brenda, I couldn't agree more. I always said I would have been perfectly suited to be a parent, because I have "no real need to be liked." Fortunately, my mother didn't have much of a need to be liked, either. And believe me...many days I did NOT like her. LOL I think it is completely ridiculous that parents today think their kids should never have a moment of discomfort or disappointment in their lives. Honestly, they are doing their kids and society such a disservice. They have no idea what their kids are losing out on--the ability to learn restraint and the accomplishments that come with delayed gratification, the confidence that comes with overcoming obstacles on one's own and the pride in TRUE accomplishment and reward. The virtue of good, hard work that tires you out and makes you feel good all at the same time. And most of all--the gift of self reliance and the knowledge that "I can handle anything that life throws my way." I wouldn't change places with one of those over-indulged, spoiled, sheltered kids for all the money in the world.Good post patriciaanne, agreed.... By the way, here's a crowbar to get you out of Brenda's quote box. Don't want you to be trapped forever.
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Post by carol on Feb 13, 2014 13:56:45 GMT -5
I remember my mom telling me. If you have kids make sure you establish your authority by the time they are two years old. If you can't make a two year old mind you heaven help you when they are twelve.
My husband and I weren't blessed with children but I have seen my friends and their kids. I've seen how they threaten punishment and never carry it out and then wonder why their child doesn't do what they are told. Ummm... maybe it's because they know there are no consequences to their bad behavior?
I used to get spanked occasionally but usually I was sent to my room. That doesn't even work nowadays since kids have everything in the world in there to entertain them.
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Post by Brenda on Feb 13, 2014 14:13:18 GMT -5
Good post patriciaanne, agreed.... By the way, here's a crowbar to get you out of Brenda's quote box. Don't want you to be trapped forever. Thanks for the crowbar, Dowsee. I've been wondering how she was going to get out of that quote box. Could you just leave it here? Getting stuck in someone's quote box seems to be a common problem around here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 14:17:38 GMT -5
Good post patriciaanne, agreed.... By the way, here's a crowbar to get you out of Brenda's quote box. Don't want you to be trapped forever. Thanks for the crowbar, Dowsee. I've been wondering how she was going to get out of that quote box. Could you just leave it here? Getting stuck in someone's quote box seems to be a common problem around here. Crowbars aren't free, but I could rent it out. As long as John Walton & Ike co-sign for it, I'm good. Now someone can become a keeper of the crowbar in the Walton's forum for the Walton's TV show. I'm sure it's everyone's goal in life to have that one.
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Post by patriciaanne on Feb 13, 2014 15:11:04 GMT -5
Thank you for freeing me, Dowsee!
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Post by navywife on Feb 14, 2014 10:18:40 GMT -5
Yes, I believe John and Olivia were spanking parents. Their children all turned out fine. Of course, that was Hollywood.
I believe spanking has its place. I also believe there is a difference between spanking and abuse. I would not say that the Waltons ever abused their children just because they gave them a whoopin'.
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Post by e knight on Sept 13, 2014 10:05:10 GMT -5
Just saw this in the news this morning:
Now, I suspect that there remains much to be told in this case. But based upon what's in the story. I imagine that quite a few of our grandparents and parents could have been hauled into court!
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Post by sdw on Sept 13, 2014 11:36:25 GMT -5
This past week at a local high school,I believe it was a resource officer, who saw the young lady,she had marks almost every where,where her father had abused her,The father was arrested.I was looking through the past weeks local paper to find the article to post more about.
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