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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 8:57:28 GMT -5
Don't do to a child, what you can't do to an adult. I can't spank you.
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Post by JeriJet on Sept 14, 2014 9:48:26 GMT -5
I just read back through all the postings.... and mostly agree with those who explain that "spanking" is not necessarily "abusing".... it depends on WHY it is done, WHEN it is done, HOW it is done, and specifically how harsh it may be.... it does not necessarily leave any long-lasting emotional scars if done infrequently, and the right way....
For the times, I believe the Waltons may well have spanked an errant child occasionally.... but we all know it would have been done only out of love, and I believe the child would have realized that.
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Post by carol on Sept 14, 2014 12:39:02 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with an occasional spanking when warranted but with the opened bare hand only across the buttocks. No belt,stick, switch etc... and not so hard that you leave bruises or welts. That is abuse.
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Post by andy on Sept 14, 2014 12:44:04 GMT -5
The Waltons was set in a time where it was permissable to spank children. I don't think that it is acceptable any more and I myself would never spank a child. I think that there are more effective and less violent ways to discipline children.
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Post by JeriJet on Sept 14, 2014 15:39:14 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with an occasional spanking when warranted but with the opened bare hand only across the buttocks. No belt,stick, switch etc... and not so hard that you leave bruises or welts. That is abuse. My parents didn't like the idea of using a hand at all (felt that was too much "personal connection") .... nor anything like a belt or switch, etc.... They (or a parent/grandparent) came up with the idea of a hairbrush on the fanny -- not with any "strength".... a quick tap with the bristles just sting (and brings the desired shame).... And only when a tremendous amount of "talking" has not had any effect.
Why is it that some kids just don't listen ? ... A parent can have 3 kids and 2 of them are little problem, but the third is impossible, and liable to get hurt if rules aren't followed !! ... Somehow, a parent has to get through to them.... I think a spanking is a better idea than putting the kid on Ritalin (sp?) or some other drug.... worth a try, at least.
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Post by patriciaanne on Sept 14, 2014 16:33:50 GMT -5
My personal belief is that corporal punishment is not effective. I do, however, believe in strict discipline. I also believe that it is a parent's right to raise his or her own child. Provided the discipline doesn't leave marks, cause bleeding or bruising or put the child in harm's way, I believe it is that parent's right to decide.
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Post by baseballfan on Sept 15, 2014 3:54:03 GMT -5
I remember the last time this subject got broached it upset some people, but with the sports figure in the news for hurting his child its a good time to open the discussion.My views fall in line with Marilyn, there is a big difference between a spanking for discipline and a beating. Bye the way my opinion the sports figure beat his child. Back to John and Olivia I can't remember the episode but it was later in the seasons where Jeffrey was acting out, and we find out that his father was drinking and hitting him leaving marks and John about lost it and wanted to go after whoever had done that to him if I remember right. It was roses grandson I think Jeffrey. Any way if I'm right it shows they knew the difference between spanking and harming a child. The only thing that bothered me that know one has mentioned is when the two children left the show it was said roses son got help and the children went back to live with him. To me if John and Olivia around at the time they would never had let this happen, not true to the Watkins family or show. I could be remembering this wrong but that's what I thought happened and I haven't watched last season's in awhile, but this is my two cents on the subject. David
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Post by Brenda on Sept 15, 2014 8:21:49 GMT -5
I remember the last time this subject got broached it upset some people, but with the sports figure in the news for hurting his child its a good time to open the discussion.My views fall in line with Marilyn, there is a big difference between a spanking for discipline and a beating. Bye the way my opinion the sports figure beat his child. Back to John and Olivia I can't remember the episode but it was later in the seasons where Jeffrey was acting out, and we find out that his father was drinking and hitting him leaving marks and John about lost it and wanted to go after whoever had done that to him if I remember right. It was roses grandson I think Jeffrey. Any way if I'm right it shows they knew the difference between spanking and harming a child. The only thing that bothered me that know one has mentioned is when the two children left the show it was said roses son got help and the children went back to live with him. To me if John and Olivia around at the time they would never had let this happen, not true to the Watkins family or show. I could be remembering this wrong but that's what I thought happened and I haven't watched last season's in awhile, but this is my two cents on the subject. David David, I think your memory is correct about Jeffrey. He had been beaten by his father, he did have scars, and John Walton was appalled at this treatment of a child. It also bothered me that Jeffrey and Serena were allowed to go back to their father because he presumably had stopped drinking and no longer beat his children. From all I've heard about abusers, it simply isn't that easy. I've heard that they often promise "never to do that again" to their spouse, girlfriend, child, only to revert back to their old ways eventually unless they get some serious psychiatric help. This is why women often stay with abusive men. They believe those promises, only to have the promise broken again and again. I think the reason Jeffrey and Serena were taken out of the cast is because they were not that well received. Family type shows often add younger children when the young children in those families reach teenage years. It happened on Little House. It happened on The Cosby Show. It they were going to write Jeffrey and Serena out of the show, I would have preferred that they go somewhere else, maybe to another family member, an aunt, the other grandparents, etc, instead of the abusive father who "promised" to do better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 8:37:18 GMT -5
I remember the last time this subject got broached it upset some people, but with the sports figure in the news for hurting his child its a good time to open the discussion.My views fall in line with Marilyn, there is a big difference between a spanking for discipline and a beating. Bye the way my opinion the sports figure beat his child. Back to John and Olivia I can't remember the episode but it was later in the seasons where Jeffrey was acting out, and we find out that his father was drinking and hitting him leaving marks and John about lost it and wanted to go after whoever had done that to him if I remember right. It was roses grandson I think Jeffrey. Any way if I'm right it shows they knew the difference between spanking and harming a child. The only thing that bothered me that know one has mentioned is when the two children left the show it was said roses son got help and the children went back to live with him. To me if John and Olivia around at the time they would never had let this happen, not true to the Watkins family or show. I could be remembering this wrong but that's what I thought happened and I haven't watched last season's in awhile, but this is my two cents on the subject.David David, I think your memory is correct about Jeffrey. He had been beaten by his father, he did have scars, and John Walton was appalled at this treatment of a child. It also bothered me that Jeffrey and Serena were allowed to go back to their father because he presumably had stopped drinking and no longer beat his children. From all I've heard about abusers, it simply isn't that easy. I've heard that they often promise "never to do that again" to their spouse, girlfriend, child, only to revert back to their old ways eventually unless they get some serious psychiatric help. This is why women often stay with abusive men. They believe those promises, only to have the promise broken again and again. I think the reason Jeffrey and Serena were taken out of the cast is because they were not that well received. Family type shows often add younger children when the young children in those families reach teenage years. It happened on Little House. It happened on The Cosby Show. It they were going to write Jeffrey and Serena out of the show, I would have preferred that they go somewhere else, maybe to another family member, an aunt, the other grandparents, etc, instead of the abusive father who "promised" to do better. Lets never forget that horrid little boy, Oliver from the Brady Bunch.
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Post by Sussie of Teckelhut Acres on Sept 15, 2014 11:44:28 GMT -5
They never did spank. But I have seen John get "in their face" and raise his voice. This was with the boys only. The normal punishment was memorising bible verses.
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Post by patriciaanne on Sept 15, 2014 19:46:00 GMT -5
They never did spank. But I have seen John get "in their face" and raise his voice. This was with the boys only. The normal punishment was memorising bible verses. They never spanked on camera, but there were a couple of references to it as if it had happened at some point or another. Jim Bob and Elizabeth were also concerned about being spanked for stealing the calf, so it would lead you to believe that it's happened before. Still, my guess is it didn't happen often and that it wasn't abusive--at least not by the standards back then and maybe not even by today's standards.
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Post by Sussie of Teckelhut Acres on Sept 15, 2014 20:17:05 GMT -5
I'd rather take the spanking than memorize bible verses (or anything for that matter) ! LOL!
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Post by e knight on Sept 15, 2014 22:55:43 GMT -5
Well, turns out there was more in the case of the NFL player. The team should drop-kick this dude into Lake Superior.
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Post by baseballfan on Sept 15, 2014 23:20:43 GMT -5
I also believe in the episode with Jeffrey who is misbehaving I think John tells him to go pick a switch off a tree. I could be wrong but I swear in one episode that was said, so if true we know they believed in spanking but like I said in the same episode they proved there is a difference between how they saw discipline and abuse. They were great parents and I was brought up the same way, it didn't happen often but when it did I'm sure I deserved it. A common thread in a lot of the posts of people spanked is most had a healthy fear of there fathers, and this is missing in my opinion from children's rearing today. Either because no father at home or parents who try to be their children's friends and not there parents. I never wanted to disappoint or let down my father, and at the same time I knew no matter what my momma loved me. David
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Post by patriciaanne on Sept 15, 2014 23:21:22 GMT -5
Well, turns out there was more in the case of the NFL player. The team should drop-kick this dude into Lake Superior. What did you hear? I did a quick google, but didn't see anything.
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