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Post by River on Jun 21, 2011 7:14:35 GMT -5
I think this post goes well with the Kids Too Old post...probbly wouldn't see John and Olivia spank any of the kids because of their age. Being the time period that it was (30's), I am sure they spanked, but there gets a point when a child gets too old to spank and other forms of punishment work better for those ages.
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Post by calico on Jun 21, 2011 8:07:44 GMT -5
I don't have kids yet, but as I've mentioned, my parents and grandparents made the decision not to hit their kids. My siblings don't hit their kids either, so I disagree with the idea that as soon as you have children you somehow change your way of thinking and feel that hitting them is necessary.
I think it's interesting how hitting or not hitting goes by example. Just going by what friends and family have experienced - if your parents spanked you, you probably spank your kids; if your parents didn't spank you, you probably don't spank your kids. Says something about how we learn.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 11:28:34 GMT -5
I don't have kids yet, but as I've mentioned, my parents and grandparents made the decision not to hit their kids. My siblings don't hit their kids either, so I disagree with the idea that as soon as you have children you somehow change your way of thinking and feel that hitting them is necessary. I think it's interesting how hitting or not hitting goes by example. Just going by what friends and family have experienced - if your parents spanked you, you probably spank your kids; if your parents didn't spank you, you probably don't spank your kids. Says something about how we learn. I think that it is flat out scary how many enjoyed and promote being spanked. They do not "spank" service dogs.
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Post by bothepug on Jun 22, 2011 7:27:54 GMT -5
I think John and Olivia and his parents were "hankeren for a spankeren" type of parents. Not abuse, but when needed. Olivia and gramma were more strict I think and were not spare the rod, so to speak. John and his dad it was more of a last resort I think. In the one episode when Wade and Vera split-up and Vera is living in the shed at the Walton's house, Wade came over and was banging on the door and carrying on where John grabbed him and threw him down on the ground and threated to thrash him all the way to Rockfish if he didn't get right. So I think they would have spanked, even if they didn't show it on the show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 7:00:46 GMT -5
I have read this with, not alarm, but wonderment, as to why the question was asked. this was a TV show and for that a simple 'I will speak to you later' either from John (for the boys) or Olivia (for the girls) is more than sufficient. For real life then Earl would be the onnly person to seek out, although I doubt he would speak of it, it's a family thing, rightly so. And from all I learn Earl and his family grew up right so? ?
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Post by lillyshak on Jun 23, 2011 8:19:35 GMT -5
I have read this with, not alarm, but wonderment, as to why the question was asked. this was a TV show and for that a simple 'I will speak to you later' either from John (for the boys) or Olivia (for the girls) is more than sufficient. For real life then Earl would be the onnly person to seek out, although I doubt he would speak of it, it's a family thing, rightly so. And from all I learn Earl and his family grew up right so? ? There were also lots of occasions where the children were made to learn verses from the bible, and I recall Grandma swatting one of the boys... Plus, when Ben borrowed John-Boys car, John threatened to beat him. And Olivia threatened Ben with a peach switch in a different episode. It may sound creepy that I know this, but I am addicted to the Waltons. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 21:25:35 GMT -5
"It may sound creepy that I know this, but I am addicted to the Waltons. ;D" Thats not so creepy around here. In fact most of us are addicted to the show and don't want a 12-step program to detox either.
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Post by lillyshak on Jun 24, 2011 3:13:58 GMT -5
Yes, but I'm freaked out I know the occasions and what they were threatened with Oh well, better to be obsessed with The Waltons than to Eastenders...
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Post by bmcgill on Jun 24, 2011 22:14:06 GMT -5
Well, really didn't want to respond much to this post. I am 52 years old and I have never had any children. I kinda regret that now days. I love kids more now than I use to. Guess maybe I am more mature. Anyway, if I had a child I would have a hard time spanking a child. We all did wrong as kids and yes I got spanked but you know from what I have seen from other families is that a good home life and relationship between parents and their children really means a lot. I would only use spanking as a last resort if I had a kid, although I do know that the fear of it growing up kept me from doing things that I knew I shouldn't have done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2011 6:48:53 GMT -5
bmcgill: Yes the fear (ior threat whichever you wish to say) was usually sufficient. And you knwo responsible parents, if they had to discipline in this way, did so with just enough force to make the child 'understand' they'd done wrong. Tears were usually a mixture of that and the thought they'd made their parents mad enough at them..... There will always be the exceptions, the sadistic parent who thrashes a child, and I know what i'd do with them!!!!!
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Post by Marilyn on Jun 25, 2011 15:16:05 GMT -5
Lilly, I think alot of us here are addicted to the Waltons!
As far as spanking goes, unless a person has kids, they don't know if they would actually spank or not. As I mentioned way above somewhere, our kids said they would never spank....and then they got their own kids. We live by the bible, and the bible states spanking can be a good thing, done under the right conditions. That's just common sense. How many times are you going to verbally reprimand your child for running out into the street without looking both ways first? Am I going to risk them getting hit by a car because they don't stop and think before they dash out into traffic? No way... I am not going to verbally argue or debate with my children the dangers of running into a situation like that. When I say don't run out into the street without stopping and looking both ways first, I mean it. This is to keep you from getting hurt and maybe even save your life. When it comes to situations like this, words don't get through to alot of kids. I guess I could take the attitude that I'll just warn my kids and if they run out into the street and get hit by a car, maybe get seriously injured...yeah...that's okay. (not) After you talk enough, they zone you out and let the words bounce off and go about what they were doing. Sometimes we have to take steps to get their attention. Not all kids are like this, but most are. You folks that never got spanked and listened to every word your folks said AND obeyed them, you are one in a millon! I remember being a kid just like it was a year ago, and I was very active and on the move all the time. It took my daddy's strong hand to slow me down and wise me up. I thank him for that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2011 6:35:30 GMT -5
and marilyn I'll bet you grew up right because of it
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Post by bmcgill on Jun 26, 2011 10:41:28 GMT -5
It was in the news a couple of weeks ago that in a town near here, a woman accually beat her twelve year old son to death for stealing her perscription drugs. Well I don't know if the kid was selling them, taking them or maybe just wanted her to stop taking them but no matter what the circumstances were, there is no reason to beat a twelve year old boy to death. I don't care how bad of a thing the kid has done. That really disturbed me when I heard that on the news.
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Post by Marilyn on Jun 26, 2011 19:14:27 GMT -5
Yes kelvin, my dad made sure we all walked the straight and narrow. He raised 6 kids and we all turned out okay. He loved us enough that he did what he had to do to keep us safe and teach us how to act in the world. No abuse though, just good old fashioned discipline. Dad is long gone now, but I have special memories of him and the great job he did as a parent.
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Post by calico on Jun 30, 2011 10:16:37 GMT -5
I've been resisting posting on this thread again, but I have to point out that in childhood psychology literature, it's shown to be pretty common for children who've been physically abused to grow up feeling that they somehow deserved it, since that's what they were taught by the parent who hits them. [By the way, I guess "spanked" is the more innocuous sounding term that folks like to use so it doesn't sound like what it is: "abuse".] I guess that's why people will give that little speech about how they were grateful their parents hit them, and that it made them better people, It's truly sad to hear someone say they deserved to be hit as a child, and even sadder to hear them talk about hitting their own kids.
People who hit their kids like to say that someone who doesn't have kids will automatically resort to hitting their kids if/when they have them. It's extremely offensive.
And last but not least - trotting out the bible to defend violence is just absurb on the face of it.
p.s. I somehow managed to avoid getting hit by a car, despite that fact that my parents didn't hit me.
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