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Post by april on Aug 3, 2014 17:26:38 GMT -5
Watching the Burnout today, I wondered who was to blame for the fire.... At first I thought it was John Boy but now lean towards Grandpa.....
It got me to thinking was John Boy nearly perfect? I don't remember many show where he had big wrong doings... He had a temper, Mary Ellen usually brought that out.
I know I'm missing shows but right now cant think of many.... Anyone Else...?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 19:15:31 GMT -5
No more perfect than Charles Ingalls. In my opinion both of them were busy bodies
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 19:54:32 GMT -5
John-Boy was not perfect. No one is. John Boy had a bad temper, he also whined sometimes when he didn't get his way (I can think of the episode where both he and Mary Ellen thought they were given the shed. John Boy had a fit)
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Post by patriciaanne on Aug 3, 2014 20:04:32 GMT -5
John-Boy was not perfect. No one is. John Boy had a bad temper, he also whined sometimes when he didn't get his way (I can think of the episode where both he and Mary Ellen thought they were given the shed. John Boy had a fit) He threw a fit when Mary Ellen sold the typewriter. And when he was racing Blue in that race to win Selena's affections, he was very short-tempered with the children. Even John told him he didn't want him to be in the race if he was going to have that attitude. He was also jealous from time to time when his prior girlfriends came around with their new beaus (who wouldn't be). Heck, he was even jealous over Rev. Fordwick! I think there were plenty of episodes that showed that he was human and had human feelings and human foibles. But he was a great person--good, and kind and generous with his talents. And we know that for a fact because he grew up to be Earl Hamner.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Aug 4, 2014 2:26:27 GMT -5
Charles was a lot worse than John Boy. John boy was a lot younger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 12:01:48 GMT -5
John Boy was a special child, with his own room, and (seemed to me) the family was always sacrificing for him in some way, like he was "the golden child". Maybe that's the way it was back then and it wasn't that John Boy had a sense of entitlement to everything, perhaps it was given to him by his parents and grandparents.
So when John Boy didn't get his way, or was used to get his way, he didn't know how to react to that disappointment and ...threw fits.
I'm just throwing this out there. Thoughts?
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Post by JeriJet on Aug 4, 2014 13:19:40 GMT -5
John Boy was a special child, with his own room, and (seemed to me) the family was always sacrificing for him in some way, like he was "the golden child". Maybe that's the way it was back then and it wasn't that John Boy had a sense of entitlement to everything, perhaps it was given to him by his parents and grandparents. So when John Boy didn't get his way, or was used to get his way, he didn't know how to react to that disappointment and ...threw fits. I'm just throwing this out there. Thoughts?
A couple of thoughts -- first, I wonder just how "semi-autobiographical" the show was -- and, if Earl created the John-Boy character to represent himself, was Earl in fact a "golden child" in his family home?? Were John-Boy's responses to various situations similar to Earl's?? ... and I wonder now what Earl might think about our questions/ideas....
I suppose it's not uncommon for a family to sacrifice quite a bit for the first child -- one so interested in writing (and education in general), and slated for college.... it would be a while before the younger children reach that stage of maturity.... and, as they did, they were certainly supported (eventually) in whatever they chose to do, what path to follow.... John-Boy was simply the first of their children who required "sacrificing" for
Oh, and I think John-Boy, Jason, and MaryEllen expressed the most passion of all the kids.... Like John-Boy, Maryellen didn't exactly take disappointments in stride !! .... and she was much more of a whiner than John-Boy and Erin perhaps whined the most ... John-Boy did "have fits" but he wasn't a whiner, I don't think.....
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Post by gunnersmom on Aug 4, 2014 14:03:12 GMT -5
I think his personality as well as all the others was a result of maturing the characters. John Boy didn't start out acting like anything but the oldest son and big brother, herding and babysitting the other kids. His character grew as the writers and audience got a sense of who and what he was. His relationship to parents and grandparents grew as well.
I haven't yet met a perfect person, nor have I seen one on tv.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 15:16:21 GMT -5
John Boy was a special child, with his own room, and (seemed to me) the family was always sacrificing for him in some way, like he was "the golden child". Maybe that's the way it was back then and it wasn't that John Boy had a sense of entitlement to everything, perhaps it was given to him by his parents and grandparents. So when John Boy didn't get his way, or was used to get his way, he didn't know how to react to that disappointment and ...threw fits. I'm just throwing this out there. Thoughts?
A couple of thoughts -- first, I wonder just how "semi-autobiographical" the show was -- and, if Earl created the John-Boy character to represent himself, was Earl in fact a "golden child" in his family home?? Were John-Boy's responses to various situations similar to Earl's?? ... and I wonder now what Earl might think about our questions/ideas....
I suppose it's not uncommon for a family to sacrifice quite a bit for the first child -- one so interested in writing (and education in general), and slated for college.... it would be a while before the younger children reach that stage of maturity.... and, as they did, they were certainly supported (eventually) in whatever they chose to do, what path to follow.... John-Boy was simply the first of their children who required "sacrificing" for
Oh, and I think John-Boy, Jason, and MaryEllen expressed the most passion of all the kids.... Like John-Boy, Maryellen didn't exactly take disappointments in stride !! .... and she was much more of a whiner than John-Boy and Erin perhaps whined the most ... John-Boy did "have fits" but he wasn't a whiner, I don't think.....
It would be impossible to answer your questions (in the first paragraph), we just wouldn't know the answer, we can only speculate. I think you can make a case for John Boy whining, it depends how you interpret it. I think he "had a fit" more than whined. I never thought of Erin as a whiner, maybe if she did it wasn't annoying to me. I found Mary-Ellen's constant complaints and whining very annoying and irritating to me (Frank throws bricks at her...breaks TV screen. Where's my Visa card...I need a new TV, again. Maybe if I just quit throwing bricks at the TV and threw cotton candy instead. ) But I think maybe Elizabeth whined the most on the show...then again she was the youngest. Just like you, I wonder what Earl would think about our questions/ideas. To anyone's knowledge has Earl ever said anything about how accurate John Boy's character was compared to his own in real life?
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Post by JeriJet on Aug 8, 2014 17:41:24 GMT -5
Hagiography holds a special place for John-Boy.
Hope Earl Hamner reads your posting....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 18:15:06 GMT -5
I think John Boy's reactions to dilemmas were pretty consistent. He didn't do anything half way and he stuck up for himself with the same passion he stuck up for others when he thought things were unfair. It's a trade off, as far as his being favored. Just as responsibilities were set upon him to keep the children in line and set a good example... he was taken seriously when his consistent dream was to be a writer. Was he perfect? No. He was human.
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Post by Kathy Lee on Sept 7, 2014 7:56:55 GMT -5
Watching the Burnout today, I wondered who was to blame for the fire.... At first I thought it was John Boy but now lean towards Grandpa.....
It got me to thinking was John Boy nearly perfect? I don't remember many show where he had big wrong doings... He had a temper, Mary Ellen usually brought that out.
I know I'm missing shows but right now cant think of many.... Anyone Else...? I never thought about that but you are right, John Boy never did anything really bad. He did lose his temper with Mary Ellen over the typewriter. But, I can't think of anything else he did that would have been bad or mean.
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Post by Kathy Lee on Sept 7, 2014 8:05:17 GMT -5
John Boy was a special child, with his own room, and (seemed to me) the family was always sacrificing for him in some way, like he was "the golden child". Maybe that's the way it was back then and it wasn't that John Boy had a sense of entitlement to everything, perhaps it was given to him by his parents and grandparents. So when John Boy didn't get his way, or was used to get his way, he didn't know how to react to that disappointment and ...threw fits. I'm just throwing this out there. Thoughts? In real life, he did not have his own room. The upstairs of the Hamner house has only two bedrooms. That is it! One for the boys and one for the girls. There is not even a bathroom on the second floor. Imagine all the stomping up and down the stairs every time one of the children had to go to the bathroom! In reality, being the oldest, he probably worked the hardest as he was expected to help with everything. I think his fits were a normal reaction to the frustration of living in a large family.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Sept 7, 2014 13:10:49 GMT -5
he was raised to be like that.
again, his treatment of the wing walker girl was far from perfect.
Probably, the worst thing he ever did on the show
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Post by e knight on Sept 7, 2014 21:39:33 GMT -5
I never thought that he had his own room. Rather, he seemed to have extended use of the "guest room" while there were no guests. Notice that he has to move into the barn whenever anybody stays with the family.
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