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Post by Brenda on Apr 27, 2018 16:00:37 GMT -5
I know we've discussed this before, but we have new members, so I thought I'd bring it up again. I'm sitting here watching The Estrangement, the episode where Vera and Wade were separated. Wade was running moonshine for Boone Walton, and when he told John Boy about it, he called him Grandpa Boone. Then when John Boy told John that Wade had been arrested and was in jail, John told him to get in his car and go find Boone Walton and tell him to get his nephew out of jail. So, was Wade Boone's grandson or his nephew? I'm confused.
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Post by JeriJet on Apr 27, 2018 16:44:29 GMT -5
Per Atkins -- S3/E1 Boone is Wade's grandfather.... but S4/E12 states Wade is Boone's nephew.... those writers again !!
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Post by aresalz on Apr 28, 2018 9:48:51 GMT -5
In the episode, The Moonshiner --- this is the one where Boone gets arrested for moonshining and gets put in Jason's custody. Also, John Boy's former girlfriend Daisy shows up for a visit. Boone is always singing a song about a rose. When asked about the song, Boone explains how years ago a flood washed his cabin away taking his wife and child. His wife's name was Rose. In my opinion, this leads credence to Wade being his nephew.
Off subject a little, this is one of my favorite episodes. I really enjoy the scene where Boone is leaving, heading back up into the back hills and Daisy gives him a sweet kiss. Boone looks at her and says "if you ever up on the mountain and see a wild rose, pick it for me."
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Post by Brenda on Apr 28, 2018 12:59:37 GMT -5
In the episode, The Moonshiner --- this is the one where Boone gets arrested for moonshining and gets put in Jason's custody. Also, John Boy's former girlfriend Daisy shows up for a visit. Boone is always singing a song about a rose. When asked about the song, Boone explains how years ago a flood washed his cabin away taking his wife and child. His wife's name was Rose. In my opinion, this leads credence to Wade being his nephew.
Off subject a little, this is one of my favorite episodes. I really enjoy the scene where Boone is leaving, heading back up into the back hills and Daisy gives him a sweet kiss. Boone looks at her and says "if you ever up on the mountain and see a wild rose, pick it for me."
This episode also explains the demise of Boone. In one of the episodes with Martha Corinne, she told John Boy that she and Henry had two children, Boone and another baby who died as an infant. For Wade to be his nephew, Boone would have had a brother who lived to adulthood. I think Wade was his grandson and a writer made a mistake in that one instance where John called him Boone's nephew. Or maybe Ralph Waite made a mistake when he said his lines. Either way, I'm sure the writers, actors, and producers back in the 1970s didn't anticipate that 40 years later, people would be able to watch episodes all day if they wish instead of waiting until Thursday night to watch one episode. And I'm also sure they didn't anticipate the Internet where people from all over the world would meet and dissect each episode and notice every little inconsistency. |
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Post by aresalz on Apr 28, 2018 15:46:14 GMT -5
In the episode, The Moonshiner --- this is the one where Boone gets arrested for moonshining and gets put in Jason's custody. Also, John Boy's former girlfriend Daisy shows up for a visit. Boone is always singing a song about a rose. When asked about the song, Boone explains how years ago a flood washed his cabin away taking his wife and child. His wife's name was Rose. In my opinion, this leads credence to Wade being his nephew.
Off subject a little, this is one of my favorite episodes. I really enjoy the scene where Boone is leaving, heading back up into the back hills and Daisy gives him a sweet kiss. Boone looks at her and says "if you ever up on the mountain and see a wild rose, pick it for me."
This episode also explains the demise of Boone. In one of the episodes with Martha Corinne, she told John Boy that she and Henry had two children, Boone and another baby who died as an infant. For Wade to be his nephew, Boone would have had a brother who lived to adulthood. I think Wade was his grandson and a writer made a mistake in that one instance where John called him Boone's nephew. Or maybe Ralph Waite made a mistake when he said his lines. Either way, I'm sure the writers, actors, and producers back in the 1970s didn't anticipate that 40 years later, people would be able to watch episodes all day if they wish instead of waiting until Thursday night to watch one episode. And I'm also sure they didn't anticipate the Internet where people from all over the world would meet and dissect each episode and notice every little inconsistency. Here's a thought. We are talking the Walton's Mountain area which is the rural south. So, grandson and nephew? |
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Post by JeriJet on Apr 28, 2018 17:08:52 GMT -5
In one of the episodes with Martha Corinne, she told John Boy that she and Henry had two children, Boone and another baby who died as an infant. For Wade to be his nephew, Boone would have had a brother who lived to adulthood. I think Wade was his grandson and a writer made a mistake in that one instance where John called him Boone's nephew. Or maybe Ralph Waite made a mistake when he said his lines. Either way, I'm sure the writers, actors, and producers back in the 1970s didn't anticipate that 40 years later, people would be able to watch episodes all day if they wish instead of waiting until Thursday night to watch one episode. And I'm also sure they didn't anticipate the Internet where people from all over the world would meet and dissect each episode and notice every little inconsistency. Here's a thought. We are talking the Walton's Mountain area which is the rural south. So, grandson and nephew?  Of course the writers/actors, etc., didn't expect us to dissect each episode.... that goes without saying.... but, we do, and most of us enjoy it !!! ... it's fun to tax our brains and relive each episode, again and again. |
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Post by goodnight on Apr 28, 2018 21:23:21 GMT -5
In the episode, The Moonshiner --- this is the one where Boone gets arrested for moonshining and gets put in Jason's custody. Also, John Boy's former girlfriend Daisy shows up for a visit. Boone is always singing a song about a rose. When asked about the song, Boone explains how years ago a flood washed his cabin away taking his wife and child. His wife's name was Rose. In my opinion, this leads credence to Wade being his nephew.
Off subject a little, this is one of my favorite episodes. I really enjoy the scene where Boone is leaving, heading back up into the back hills and Daisy gives him a sweet kiss. Boone looks at her and says "if you ever up on the mountain and see a wild rose, pick it for me."
This episode also explains the demise of Boone. In one of the episodes with Martha Corinne, she told John Boy that she and Henry had two children, Boone and another baby who died as an infant. For Wade to be his nephew, Boone would have had a brother who lived to adulthood. I think Wade was his grandson and a writer made a mistake in that one instance where John called him Boone's nephew. Or maybe Ralph Waite made a mistake when he said his lines. Either way, I'm sure the writers, actors, and producers back in the 1970s didn't anticipate that 40 years later, people would be able to watch episodes all day if they wish instead of waiting until Thursday night to watch one episode. And I'm also sure they didn't anticipate the Internet where people from all over the world would meet and dissect each episode and notice every little inconsistency. My personal interpretation of all of it is this: Boone was married to his Rose first and she and their infant son drowned. I think it was stated this happened in 1888. Some years later he marries again. His second wife is the mother of Wade's father, whatever his name is (I think it might be the Floyd that is buried with Martha Corinne's other family and Wade & Vera's baby boy is named after him). Then Boone's second wife dies a few years before the episode The Conflict. Grandma talks about it being the last time they were up there was for her funeral and Boone was drinking his moonshine. And I'm guessing it was the time that Jason mentioned that they looked for arrowheads before. The other episode where someone said nephew was just a mistake. Like someone else said, Martha Corinne only had the 2 children Boone and Henry Junior. And Henry Jr. died as an infant. No other sibling is mentioned that would be Wade's parent. My other personal interpretation about the family is Zeb and Esther's third child was the little girl named Amy that Grandpa mentioned who died of scarlet fever. |
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Post by goldfinch1 on Apr 29, 2018 10:01:41 GMT -5
In the episode, The Moonshiner --- this is the one where Boone gets arrested for moonshining and gets put in Jason's custody. Also, John Boy's former girlfriend Daisy shows up for a visit. Boone is always singing a song about a rose. When asked about the song, Boone explains how years ago a flood washed his cabin away taking his wife and child. His wife's name was Rose. In my opinion, this leads credence to Wade being his nephew.
Off subject a little, this is one of my favorite episodes. I really enjoy the scene where Boone is leaving, heading back up into the back hills and Daisy gives him a sweet kiss. Boone looks at her and says "if you ever up on the mountain and see a wild rose, pick it for me."
This episode also explains the demise of Boone. In one of the episodes with Martha Corinne, she told John Boy that she and Henry had two children, Boone and another baby who died as an infant. For Wade to be his nephew, Boone would have had a brother who lived to adulthood. I think Wade was his grandson and a writer made a mistake in that one instance where John called him Boone's nephew. Or maybe Ralph Waite made a mistake when he said his lines. Either way, I'm sure the writers, actors, and producers back in the 1970s didn't anticipate that 40 years later, people would be able to watch episodes all day if they wish instead of waiting until Thursday night to watch one episode. And I'm also sure they didn't anticipate the Internet where people from all over the world would meet and dissect each episode and notice every little inconsistency. I liked your post Brenda, made me laugh. Yes who knew, and indeed who would believe! Like JeriJet, so glad we do. 😃🌸 |
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Post by Johnny on Dec 11, 2018 17:52:11 GMT -5
My personal interpretation of all of it is this: Boone was married to his Rose first and she and their infant son drowned. I think it was stated this happened in 1888. Some years later he marries again. His second wife is the mother of Wade's father, whatever his name is (I think it might be the Floyd that is buried with Martha Corinne's other family and Wade & Vera's baby boy is named after him). Then Boone's second wife dies a few years before the episode The Conflict. Grandma talks about it being the last time they were up there was for her funeral and Boone was drinking his moonshine. And I'm guessing it was the time that Jason mentioned that they looked for arrowheads before. The other episode where someone said nephew was just a mistake. Like someone else said, Martha Corinne only had the 2 children Boone and Henry Junior. And Henry Jr. died as an infant. No other sibling is mentioned that would be Wade's parent. I would also like to make a reasonable guess as to who were Wade's Mom & Dad and his relationship to Boone. I like your interpretation up to the part about Martha Corrine & Henry having only 2 children, Boone & Henry Jr. In the Pony Cart (s5/e11) the tombstone of Floyd Walton reveals he is the son of Martha & Henry. He was born 1898 died 1929 at age 31. John-boy was born 1916 and Wade in 1915 (deduced from Bill Akins notes). The dates are consistent where Floyd may have married and had a son Wade when he was 15. On this basis Wade could be Boone's nephew.  |
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Post by JeriJet on Dec 11, 2018 18:24:24 GMT -5
Remember the "joke" back in the 1950's or 60's, entitled "I am my own grandfather" !! Found it -- Going crazy with confusion: A psychiatrist visited a California mental institution and asked a patient, "How did you get here? What was the nature of your illness?" He got the following reply: "Well, it all started when I got married and I guess I should never have done it. I married a widow with a grown daughter who then became my stepdaughter. My dad came to visit us, fell in love with my lovely stepdaughter, then married her. And so my stepdaughter was now my stepmother. Soon, my wife had a son who was, of course, my daddy's brother-in-law since he is the half-brother of my stepdaughter, who is now, of course, my daddy's wife. So, as I told you, when my stepdaughter married my daddy, she was at once my stepmother! Now, since my new son is brother to my stepmother, he also became my uncle. As you know, my wife is my step-grandmother since she is my stepmother's mother. Don't forget that my stepmother is my stepdaughter. Remember, too, that I am my wife's grandson. But hold on just a few minutes more. You see, since I'm married to my step-grandmother, I am not only the wife's grandson and her hubby, but I am also my own grandfather. Now can you understand how I got put in this place?" After staring blankly with a dizzy look on his face, the psychiatrist replied: "Move over!" |
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Post by Kathy Lee on Dec 11, 2018 19:11:02 GMT -5
In the episode, The Moonshiner --- this is the one where Boone gets arrested for moonshining and gets put in Jason's custody. Also, John Boy's former girlfriend Daisy shows up for a visit. Boone is always singing a song about a rose. When asked about the song, Boone explains how years ago a flood washed his cabin away taking his wife and child. His wife's name was Rose. In my opinion, this leads credence to Wade being his nephew.
Off subject a little, this is one of my favorite episodes. I really enjoy the scene where Boone is leaving, heading back up into the back hills and Daisy gives him a sweet kiss. Boone looks at her and says "if you ever up on the mountain and see a wild rose, pick it for me."
This episode also explains the demise of Boone. In one of the episodes with Martha Corinne, she told John Boy that she and Henry had two children, Boone and another baby who died as an infant. For Wade to be his nephew, Boone would have had a brother who lived to adulthood. I think Wade was his grandson and a writer made a mistake in that one instance where John called him Boone's nephew. Or maybe Ralph Waite made a mistake when he said his lines. Either way, I'm sure the writers, actors, and producers back in the 1970s didn't anticipate that 40 years later, people would be able to watch episodes all day if they wish instead of waiting until Thursday night to watch one episode. And I'm also sure they didn't anticipate the Internet where people from all over the world would meet and dissect each episode and notice every little inconsistency. And people who are able to recite whole scenes from the movies and episodes! ”I’m surprised at you Hawthorn!” |
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Post by goodnight on Dec 11, 2018 19:56:02 GMT -5
My personal interpretation of all of it is this: Boone was married to his Rose first and she and their infant son drowned. I think it was stated this happened in 1888. Some years later he marries again. His second wife is the mother of Wade's father, whatever his name is (I think it might be the Floyd that is buried with Martha Corinne's other family and Wade & Vera's baby boy is named after him). Then Boone's second wife dies a few years before the episode The Conflict. Grandma talks about it being the last time they were up there was for her funeral and Boone was drinking his moonshine. And I'm guessing it was the time that Jason mentioned that they looked for arrowheads before. The other episode where someone said nephew was just a mistake. Like someone else said, Martha Corinne only had the 2 children Boone and Henry Junior. And Henry Jr. died as an infant. No other sibling is mentioned that would be Wade's parent. I would also like to make a reasonable guess as to who were Wade's Mom & Dad and his relationship to Boone. I like your interpretation up to the part about Martha Corrine & Henry having only 2 children, Boone & Henry Jr. In the Pony Cart (s5/e11) the tombstone of Floyd Walton reveals he is the son of Martha & Henry. He was born 1898 died 1929 at age 31. John-boy was born 1916 and Wade in 1915 (deduced from Bill Akins notes). The dates are consistent where Floyd may have married and had a son Wade when he was 15. On this basis Wade could be Boone's nephew. View AttachmentWow, I never saw a close-up of Floyd's tombstone before. I'm not disagreeing with you. But Wade was said to be Boone's grandson in The Conflict. |
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Post by Johnny on Dec 12, 2018 3:54:50 GMT -5
Wow, I never saw a close-up of Floyd's tombstone before. I'm not disagreeing with you. But Wade was said to be Boone's grandson in The Conflict. The revelation of Floyd's tombstone does throw a monkey wrench into the family tree as Martha Corrine tells it in The Conflict. Floyd is obviously Henry & her son yet she only tells us of Boone & Henry Jr. It is mentioned several times Wade's relationship to Boone in this episode, so we may as well use this as a basis for how Wade came to be. I am piecing together a detailed Walton Family Tree based on the notes of John Viens and like John I have filled in the gaps with my best guess taken from the episodes. Here is Wade's side of the tree. Henry fought for the Army of Virginia in the War between the States. He came home and married Martha Corrine Tyler, a cousin on his mother's side. They settled up on Blue Rock Creek. They had three sons, Boone, born the same year as Henry's baby brother Zeb in 1865; a boy named Henry who died in infancy and Floyd born 1898 who lived to be 31yrs. Henry Walton died in 1921 at the age of 81. His widow Martha Corrine and his grown son Boone continued to live on Blue Rock Creek Boone married Rose Jameson from Alberene and built a home in Blue Rock Hollow where they had a son Henry Jamison. There was a great flood in the spring of 1888 and Boone lost both his son and wife Rose to that fierce deluge. Boone eventually remarried and had another son. That boy grew up on Blue Rock Creek, found himself a wife who gave birth to Wade. After Boone's son & wife tragically passed, Wade was raised by his grandpa Boone & his wife along with his greatgrandma Martha Corrine. Boone's second wife died in 1935. Henry Walton's family were forced to move from Blue Rock Creek in 1936, after the Government confiscated their land for the Blue Ridge Parkway. Martha Corrine Tyler-Walton spent the remainder of her years in Brightwood. Martha Corrine died in 1939 at the age of 91.
We don't know how Boone's son & wife died, since they were young I can only speculate it was tragic. If we don't mind using artistic license and remain within the canon of the story, we could say; one day while Boone's son & wife were both helping tend the still, the pressure between the still-pot and thump keg became too high, resulting in an explosion, tragically resulting in their deaths..  Fortunately their son Wade was all right, since his grandma (Boone's wife) was looking after him that day.
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Post by goodnight on Dec 12, 2018 18:10:56 GMT -5
Wow, I never saw a close-up of Floyd's tombstone before. I'm not disagreeing with you. But Wade was said to be Boone's grandson in The Conflict. as Martha Corrine tells it in The Conflict. Floyd is obviously Henry & her son yet she only tells us of Boone & Henry Jr. It is mentioned several times Wade's relationship to Boone in this episode, so we may as well use this as a basis for how Wade came to be. I am piecing together a detailed Walton Family Tree based on the notes of John Viens and like John I have filled in the gaps with my best guess taken from the episodes. Here is Wade's side of the tree. Henry fought for the Army of Virginia in the War between the States. He came home and married Martha Corrine Tyler, a cousin on his mother's side. They settled up on Blue Rock Creek. They had three sons, Boone, born the same year as Henry's baby brother Zeb in 1865; a boy named Henry who died in infancy and Floyd born 1898 who lived to be 31yrs. Henry Walton died in 1921 at the age of 81. His widow Martha Corrine and his grown son Boone continued to live on Blue Rock Creek Boone married Rose Jameson from Alberene and built a home in Blue Rock Hollow where they had a son Henry Jamison. There was a great flood in the spring of 1888 and Boone lost both his son and wife Rose to that fierce deluge. Boone eventually remarried and had another son. That boy grew up on Blue Rock Creek, found himself a wife who gave birth to Wade. After Boone's son & wife tragically passed, Wade was raised by his grandpa Boone & his wife along with his greatgrandma Martha Corrine. Boone's second wife died in 1935. Henry Walton's family were forced to move from Blue Rock Creek in 1936, after the Government confiscated their land for the Blue Ridge Parkway. Martha Corrine Tyler-Walton spent the remainder of her years in Brightwood. Martha Corrine died in 1939 at the age of 91.
We don't know how Boone's son & wife died, since they were young I can only speculate it was tragic. If we don't mind using artistic license and remain within the canon of the story, we could say; one day while Boone's son & wife were both helping tend the still, the pressure between the still-pot and thump keg became too high, resulting in an explosion, tragically resulting in their deaths.. Fortunately their son Wade was all right, since his grandma (Boone's wife) was looking after him that day.
Did you also notice that in The Pony Cart that the family tree that Martha Corinne tells JohnBoy about contradicts other sources. She said Samuel Walton who came over from England was the first Walton in the area. Several other sources have it as Rome Walton and his wife Rebecca Lee. Including the episode about your "namesake" Zadok. Mr. Zadok Walton said that Rome Walton was his grand-daddy. And he would have been Zeb's grand-daddy as well because Zakok said that Rome was John's great grand-daddy. Martha Corinne doesn't mention Rome Walton at all in her narrative. I also wonder which branch of the family that someone as snooty as Corabeth came from.  |
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Post by Brenda on Dec 13, 2018 9:30:57 GMT -5
I just watched The Unthinkable on INSP one day this week. In that episode, John told Ted Lipinsky that Rome Walton was Grandpa’s great-grandfather. At least I think that’s what he said. But we already know that John gets confused about family relationships. He called Wade Walton Boone’s nephew. My husband used to have trouble understanding family relationships. If he didn’t know how he was related to someone, he just called them his second cousin. I remember the story Martha Corinne told about Samuel Walton. Maybe Rome and Samuel were brothers and came over at the same time. It wouldn’t be unusual for brothers to come together. But then they couldn’t both have been Zeb’s and Henry’s ancestor, so that doesn’t work. Maybe Samuel was Rome’s father, or Rome was Samuel’s father, and Rome settled on top of Waltons Mountain and Samuel settled on top of whatever mountain Martha Corinne was on where Blue Rock Creek was located. |
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Fortunately their son Wade was all right, since his grandma (Boone's wife) was looking after him that day.