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Post by twinkle on Mar 12, 2014 6:06:39 GMT -5
For me The Ferris Wheel does not count, a whole episode about Elizabeth's nightmares seemed pointless to me. But then any episode that focuses primarily on Elizabeth's woes bores me. I still watch them though
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Post by mphs95 on Mar 17, 2014 12:02:27 GMT -5
Is it the replacement Curt or the plot? Cause I can see somebody wanting to get away from Mary Ellen. I could see a mistake concerning Curt's death in Pearl Harbor. I can see him taking advantage of that mistake and Hiding out and thinking they are better off without him.. War is hell and post traumatic stress is hell. You guys might not like it as Walton Episode, but it is not completely far fetched. "Pearls" is way worse in my opinion. Olivia not insisting on Jim Bob and Elizabeth moving to the same town in Arizona near the hospital is way worse.
For me it is the plot. Curt died a hero, trying to save other people's lives - he should have been left dead. Curt never would have turned his back on his son. Now because of this 2nd Curt episode, we all know that Mary Ellen never received Curt's body for burial. Wonder what the military told her about that?
Curt should have either stayed dead at PH, had ME join him w/ JC at PH, or had him and ME reunite in Tempest where he regained his memory. Neutered Curt I pretend didn't exist because it pretty much rewrote the character as it made him almost like his sister and when introduced they were different. He may have been blunt and not always tactful, but he loved ME and JC and wasn't a deserter.
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Post by Sussie of Teckelhut Acres on Mar 17, 2014 12:30:45 GMT -5
For me it is the plot. Curt died a hero, trying to save other people's lives - he should have been left dead. Curt never would have turned his back on his son. Now because of this 2nd Curt episode, we all know that Mary Ellen never received Curt's body for burial. Wonder what the military told her about that?
Curt should have either stayed dead at PH, had ME join him w/ JC at PH, or had him and ME reunite in Tempest where he regained his memory. Neutered Curt I pretend didn't exist because it pretty much rewrote the character as it made him almost like his sister and when introduced they were different. He may have been blunt and not always tactful, but he loved ME and JC and wasn't a deserter.I am in total agreement there.
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Post by patriciaanne on Mar 17, 2014 23:10:09 GMT -5
For me The Ferris Wheel does not count, a whole episode about Elizabeth's nightmares seemed pointless to me. But then any episode that focuses primarily on Elizabeth's woes bores me. I still watch them though Ellen Corby had her stroke during the filming of that episode. Next time you watch it, you'll see she's at the beginning of the episode but then you don't see her again. At one point, when Elizabeth is sleep walking, and everyone is running out to find her, you see Will Geer get up and as he's leaving the bedroom, he calls back, "She's gone again, Esther" or something like that. It tugs at my heart because you know she's not there, and they're just trying to give the illusion that she is.
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Post by twinkle on Mar 19, 2014 2:33:14 GMT -5
For me The Ferris Wheel does not count, a whole episode about Elizabeth's nightmares seemed pointless to me. But then any episode that focuses primarily on Elizabeth's woes bores me. I still watch them though Ellen Corby had her stroke during the filming of that episode. Next time you watch it, you'll see she's at the beginning of the episode but then you don't see her again. At one point, when Elizabeth is sleep walking, and everyone is running out to find her, you see Will Geer get up and as he's leaving the bedroom, he calls back, "She's gone again, Esther" or something like that. It tugs at my heart because you know she's not there, and they're just trying to give the illusion that she is. Wow I did not know that, how sad I will bear this in mind next time it comes round. I am watching The Recluse right now - nice little interlude for Ben to get away from home and earn his own money but the story around the lady hiding in the house does not do much for me, reminds me of the blind girl that John Boy was hired to read to....
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Post by wmfan/waltonsportwriter on Mar 19, 2014 8:54:38 GMT -5
Is it the replacement Curt or the plot? Cause I can see somebody wanting to get away from Mary Ellen. I could see a mistake concerning Curt's death in Pearl Harbor. I can see him taking advantage of that mistake and Hiding out and thinking they are better off without him.. War is hell and post traumatic stress is hell. You guys might not like it as Walton Episode, but it is not completely far fetched. "Pearls" is way worse in my opinion. Olivia not insisting on Jim Bob and Elizabeth moving to the same town in Arizona near the hospital is way worse. PEARLS sucked yes as did some other later season episodes in season 8 and 9 though there were a few good ones. PEARLS was kind of Hee Haw or like those soap operas where a double appears
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Post by wmfan/waltonsportwriter on Mar 19, 2014 8:59:15 GMT -5
Ellen Corby had her stroke during the filming of that episode. Next time you watch it, you'll see she's at the beginning of the episode but then you don't see her again. At one point, when Elizabeth is sleep walking, and everyone is running out to find her, you see Will Geer get up and as he's leaving the bedroom, he calls back, "She's gone again, Esther" or something like that. It tugs at my heart because you know she's not there, and they're just trying to give the illusion that she is. Wow I did not know that, how sad I will bear this in mind next time it comes round. I am watching The Recluse right now - nice little interlude for Ben to get away from home and earn his own money but the story around the lady hiding in the house does not do much for me, reminds me of the blind girl that John Boy was hired to read to.... ILL Try to check out that in the Ferrs Wheel too which isn't a bad episode I think and showed Elizabeth's young fears as a character. I didn't know Ellen Corby had a stroke during the filming of the show. Sad to hear but she recovered to live and work a number of years more remarkably.
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Post by clyde on Mar 19, 2014 11:51:16 GMT -5
I never cared for "The Warrior"- too much Elizabeth and not enough everyone else! I also found it pretty incredible that a 101 year old man could walk form North Carolina to Virginia. Then there was the giant hole that Grandpa dug in the barn floor just in the right place to find bones and a skull. Oh yes the elderly Indian man's accent- it sounded as though he was reading the lines, and not very well at that!
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Post by glennh3365 on Jun 6, 2019 22:46:21 GMT -5
There is an episode in the final season where Jason's fiance makes an offhand remark at the dinner table about being Jewish. All of a sudden, and despite all the upbringing they have had from John and Grandpa, the table goes silent and turns into Berlin in 1939. Only Elizabeth behaves with any sense as the kids begin to ostracize "the Jew". It is beyond bizarre. There is no way the adults would have tolerated that attitude. Ben even turns into a little Dr.Goebbels about it. The story was totally out of character for them. At one point, Mary Ellen walks out of the church, sees Jason and her, and drops her head as though Jason has disgraced the family. Just weird.
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Post by carol on Jun 7, 2019 0:43:54 GMT -5
The episode where Elizabeth is kidnapped and the episode where the girl claims Jim Bob got her pregnant.
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Post by HitesMites on Apr 26, 2023 7:02:19 GMT -5
The supernatural episodes were dumb, but the dumbest for me was the episode where Mary Ellen found Curt in Florida. I feel like the previous actor playing Curt wouldn't have hidden from Mary Ellen for three and a half years, allowing her to think he's dead. There was no point to that episode. He should have stayed dead.
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Post by patriciaanne on Apr 26, 2023 12:54:30 GMT -5
I never cared for "The Warrior"- too much Elizabeth and not enough everyone else! I also found it pretty incredible that a 101 year old man could walk form North Carolina to Virginia. Then there was the giant hole that Grandpa dug in the barn floor just in the right place to find bones and a skull. Oh yes the elderly Indian man's accent- it sounded as though he was reading the lines, and not very well at that! I don't like that episode either. Ralph Senesky, the director, talked about that on his blog. They had a good actor to play the part of the older American Indian, but Will Geer (and maybe Ralph Waite) insisted it be a real Native American. Well that's fine, but they should have found a real one who could act. It was so bad, that many of his scenes ended up being voice-overs.
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Post by goodnight on Apr 26, 2023 17:03:45 GMT -5
The supernatural episodes were dumb, but the dumbest for me was the episode where Mary Ellen found Curt in Florida. I feel like the previous actor playing Curt wouldn't have hidden from Mary Ellen for three and a half years, allowing her to think he's dead. There was no point to that episode. He should have stayed dead. I feel like it cheapens everything that Mary Ellen went through thinking he was dead, mourning his loss and finally moving on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 20:09:24 GMT -5
To me they all count but some are just awful.
I liked the Jason subplot of the changeling but would have either preferred that episode to be nightmare or that Elizabeth was developing a psychosis and did all that stuff herself as a means of not being able to accept getting older. But the tone is so off that by the end it felt like the Walton's were trapped in a horror film.
By far one of the worst episodes that could have been handled far better.
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Post by carol on Jul 6, 2023 14:38:47 GMT -5
The supernatural episodes were dumb, but the dumbest for me was the episode where Mary Ellen found Curt in Florida. I feel like the previous actor playing Curt wouldn't have hidden from Mary Ellen for three and a half years, allowing her to think he's dead. There was no point to that episode. He should have stayed dead. I feel like it cheapens everything that Mary Ellen went through thinking he was dead, mourning his loss and finally moving on. And the episode where Mary Ellen is given a medal that was given to Curt posthumously.
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