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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 5, 2014 3:39:21 GMT -5
To repeat a question I recently asked in another thread.... Do we know if Earl has ever said whether Spencers Mtn or The Waltons is closer to his early life ?? I suspect both simply depict a "flavor".... but wonder if he attempted to make The Waltons a little truer than Spencers Mtn had been.... I'm guessing that "The Homecoming" is the closest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 6:18:55 GMT -5
Is there a universally accepted "worst episode"? The one with 4th Curt returning. Curt…now married to the daughter of Ashley Longworth, is a Major league baseball player with the Brooklyn Dodgers. They have six kids; Greg, Marsha, Peter, Jan, Bobby and Wendy (yeah, making it different enough..don’t want a plagiarism suit thrown at me ) During the off season he lives in Tupelo, Mississippi, where he teaches guitar playing to a young teen named Elvis. Curt demands custody of John Curtis, and offers Dodgers season tickets to Mary-Ellen in exchange for the rights. Upon hearing this, Cora Beth scolds him for one hour...and a bewildered Curt (with family) leaves Waltons mountain in a hurry, not before threatening to return one day as 5th Curt. Seriously, from what I have read on the boards, the episode with “2nd Curt” returning from the dead is the worst.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 5, 2014 7:14:35 GMT -5
Is it the replacement Curt or the plot?
Cause I can see somebody wanting to get away from Mary Ellen. I could see a mistake concerning Curt's death in Pearl Harbor.
I can see him taking advantage of that mistake and Hiding out and thinking they are better off without him.. War is hell and post traumatic stress is hell. You guys might not like it as Walton Episode, but it is not completely far fetched.
"Pearls" is way worse in my opinion.
Olivia not insisting on Jim Bob and Elizabeth moving to the same town in Arizona near the hospital is way worse.
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Post by ForeverWaltons on Mar 5, 2014 9:43:27 GMT -5
Is it the replacement Curt or the plot? Cause I can see somebody wanting to get away from Mary Ellen. I could see a mistake concerning Curt's death in Pearl Harbor. I can see him taking advantage of that mistake and Hiding out and thinking they are better off without him.. War is hell and post traumatic stress is hell. You guys might not like it as Walton Episode, but it is not completely far fetched. "Pearls" is way worse in my opinion. Olivia not insisting on Jim Bob and Elizabeth moving to the same town in Arizona near the hospital is way worse.
For me it is the plot. Curt died a hero, trying to save other people's lives - he should have been left dead. Curt never would have turned his back on his son. Now because of this 2nd Curt episode, we all know that Mary Ellen never received Curt's body for burial. Wonder what the military told her about that?
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Post by JeriJet on Mar 5, 2014 12:54:01 GMT -5
Unlike most of you (I think!), I'm not that bothered by Curt's "return" to life.... I realize they were struggling to come up with interesting plotlines, and this one certainly held my attention!! I also think the character Curt gave tremendous, in-depth thought to his decision and actually believed he was giving MaryEllen and John Curtis a better life by staying away since they had already been told he had died.... it must have been terrible for him -- extremely difficult.... My main problem with it is that his "girlfriend" spilled the beans!! MaryEllen and the rest of us would have been better off not knowing!!
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Post by coriscapnskip on Mar 5, 2014 15:53:02 GMT -5
Is there a universally accepted "worst episode"? The one with 4th Curt returning.... Seriously, from what I have read on the boards, the episode with “2nd Curt” returning from the dead is the worst. You almost had me for a minute there. And, I am glad to know I have seen the worst, with the possible exception of the age-fudging, which was more the reunion movies than the series. As for *why* it was the worst--the plot was bad, not only with the personality change and desertion aspects, which were at least interesting and might happen in real life, but raising a lot of questions such as: What did the military do about the question of the body? Which story is true, that Curt heroically worked to save others until he was seriously injured or killed, or that he was far from the base, wearing civvies, went down at the first blast and did nothing heroic? Did they have to return the silver star, not to mention the death benefit? Also, the replacement actor didn't help. Was the real one actually busy, or did he just look at the script and sort of ?
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Post by ForeverWaltons on Mar 5, 2014 17:37:08 GMT -5
The one with 4th Curt returning.... Seriously, from what I have read on the boards, the episode with “2nd Curt” returning from the dead is the worst. You almost had me for a minute there. And, I am glad to know I have seen the worst, with the possible exception of the age-fudging, which was more the reunion movies than the series. As for *why* it was the worst--the plot was bad, not only with the personality change and desertion aspects, which were at least interesting and might happen in real life, but raising a lot of questions such as: What did the military do about the question of the body? Which story is true, that Curt heroically worked to save others until he was seriously injured or killed, or that he was far from the base, wearing civvies, went down at the first blast and did nothing heroic? Did they have to return the silver star, not to mention the death benefit? Also, the replacement actor didn't help. Was the real one actually busy, or did he just look at the script and sort of ?
Tom Bower (who played Curt) told all of us in attendance at Carolyn's Walton Reunion in California (2012) that he wanted more money...so they killed him off at Pearl Harbor. Then when they decided to bring him back from the dead, they contacted him to reprise the role. Again, he asked for too much money so they hired a different actor.
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Post by Alexis From Texas on Mar 5, 2014 18:10:33 GMT -5
I know that there were men who did do what 2nd Curt did during WW2, but I really hate that episode. Maybe it's because we feel just as betrayed as Mary-Ellen did. Maybe everyone would have stood that episode a little better had the plot been drug out over several episodes. I don't know. I don't like when Rose gets away from her son to protect her grandchildren and then all the sudden sends them back to their father. I don't know what episode that's from but it seriously made me think, "REALLY?"
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Post by coriscapnskip on Mar 5, 2014 22:52:16 GMT -5
Tom Bower (who played Curt) told all of us in attendance at Carolyn's Walton Reunion in California (2012) that he wanted more money...so they killed him off at Pearl Harbor. Then when they decided to bring him back from the dead, they contacted him to reprise the role. Again, he asked for too much money so they hired a different actor.
So much for purity and altruism, LOL!
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 5, 2014 23:37:54 GMT -5
It is always about The money-well, most of the time.
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Post by patriciaanne on Mar 7, 2014 7:33:07 GMT -5
Tom Bower (who played Curt) told all of us in attendance at Carolyn's Walton Reunion in California (2012) that he wanted more money...so they killed him off at Pearl Harbor. Then when they decided to bring him back from the dead, they contacted him to reprise the role. Again, he asked for too much money so they hired a different actor.
So much for purity and altruism, LOL! You know, if it HAD been the original actor, it would have changed everything (at least for me). It would have been so much more heartbreaking to think he was alive, living not that far away--and refusing to see his wife and son, especially his son. This way it's so much easier to pretend that episode doesn't exist. Such a strange storyline, especially because it just ended there and was never brought up again.
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Post by patriciaanne on Mar 7, 2014 7:34:04 GMT -5
Hey! I was just promoted to "Columnist"! Speaking of this forum being addicting....
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 7, 2014 8:59:44 GMT -5
I wonder if that episode would be the same if they got the original actor? Would they still have him pretend to not know who Mary Ellen was?
Something tells me it would have been different.
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Post by patriciaanne on Mar 7, 2014 10:52:28 GMT -5
I wonder if that episode would be the same if they got the original actor? Would they still have him pretend to not know who Mary Ellen was? Something tells me it would have been different. If I could redo that storyline, I would have made it Curt's twin brother that Mary Ellen never knew about. He goes through a difficult time--they meet each other and help each other reach some sort of closure--and life goes on. That would have been easier to take and not so bizarre.
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Post by coriscapnskip on Mar 7, 2014 23:47:07 GMT -5
You guys make good points. Either Curt 2 really had serious memory problems, or at least two different sources, the telegram writer and a man who claimed to know him well, had their facts of his actions at Pearl Harbor totally wrong--not to mention they fooled whoever gave him the silver star! Just one more troubling aspect of a bad ep!
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