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Post by flossieskid on Dec 19, 2021 6:20:14 GMT -5
Was just wondering, did Olivia ever talk about her own parents or when they died? I don’t remember anyone mentioning the other set of grandparents. But, I don’t remember seeing any scenes or storylines where Olivia‘s parents were ever discussed. But, as I have said, I barely watched the Waltons after my Mom, so maybe there was a showed that side of Walton relatives. Just wondering ….
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Post by Kyle on Dec 19, 2021 9:14:37 GMT -5
The most she revealed about them was in “The Homecoming,” where she stated that her parents were “big Baptists” and didn’t approve of her marriage to John. I think she might have mentioned her mother in the episodes where her Aunt Kate appeared, but it was a fleeting mention. I always chose to interpret the lack of mentions - along with Livvie’s comment in the pilot - that there was some level of estrangement with her parents. Did anyone here ever read The Great Brain series of books? I loved them as a kid and they had kind of a similar setup in that we heard about and saw the father’s family and but never heard about the mother’s side. As an adult, I found out there was an adult book that kicked off the series before it was refocused as a series for children. And in that first book, it was revealed that the mother’s parents disowned her for marrying a Catholic (they were Mormon). I guess that was too heavy a topic for the children’s books.
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Post by flossieskid on Dec 20, 2021 9:00:39 GMT -5
Thanks, Kyle, about the info on Olivia’s parents. I did see one of the last episodes of the show where “cousin Rose” (Peggy Rea) was the parental figure when the Walton parents left the series. So, I guess cousin Rose must be Aunt Kate’s daughter? She couldn’t have been from John Walton’s side of the family since he was an only child, right?
Although I have only one sibling with no children, I am still confused about the term “2nd cousins” or “3rd cousins, once removed”. I have found some more family with my account on Ancestry.com, but I forget their “exact title” and just say “my newly discovered relative.”
I am fascinated and perhaps a bit jealous of people with large families. Luckily, the Waltons and Earl Hamner’s real life family have relatives that might rival the Osmonds! When Oprah had every one of the relatives of Donny and Marie’s family on her show many years ago, THEN they totaled over 120. Can’t imagine what it must be now! That must be one heck of a “Secret Santa” list!!
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Post by Easton on Dec 20, 2021 10:37:22 GMT -5
Although I have only one sibling with no children, I am still confused about the term “2nd cousins” or “3rd cousins, once removed”. I have found some more family with my account on Ancestry.com, but I forget their “exact title” and just say “my newly discovered relative.” Put simply, cousins are determined by lineage, but it can get a bit confusing, but I'll give it a go.
First cousins are determined by grandparents. Second cousins are determined by great-grandparents. The 'removed' bit is determined by how many generations separate the cousins.
Since I don't know your family tree, I'll use myself as an example. Just substitute me for yourself and everything will fit for you.
My paternal grandparents had 2 children. My father's brother was my uncle. My maternal grandparents had 5 children and my mother's brothers and sister were also my aunt and uncles.
Now, my Mom and Dad had 7 children. My uncles and aunts (except for one uncle) had from 3 to 6 children each. All those children became my First Cousins. When my cousins married and had children, their children became my 'First Cousins Once Removed', meaning that we were separated by a single generation. If that child were to have a child, he would be my 'First Cousin Twice Removed' (separated by 2 generations). That formula works for every generation in the family tree.
Now it gets confusing when we get to second cousins. For that, we have to go back to the great-grandparents. To keep it simple, I will pretend that my paternal grandfather had only 1 brother. He would be my father's uncle and my great uncle. My great uncle's child would be my father's First Cousin and my First Cousin Once Removed. My uncle's grandchild would be my Second Cousin, and his great-grandchild would be my Second Cousin Once Removed.
See? I told you it was confusing.
Now, with all that in consideration, use this simple chart to follow your own family tree:
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Post by goodnight on Dec 20, 2021 21:36:04 GMT -5
Thanks, Kyle, about the info on Olivia’s parents. I did see one of the last episodes of the show where “cousin Rose” (Peggy Rea) was the parental figure when the Walton parents left the series. So, I guess cousin Rose must be Aunt Kate’s daughter? She couldn’t have been from John Walton’s side of the family since he was an only child, right? Although I have only one sibling with no children, I am still confused about the term “2nd cousins” or “3rd cousins, once removed”. I have found some more family with my account on Ancestry.com, but I forget their “exact title” and just say “my newly discovered relative.” I am fascinated and perhaps a bit jealous of people with large families. Luckily, the Waltons and Earl Hamner’s real life family have relatives that might rival the Osmonds! When Oprah had every one of the relatives of Donny and Marie’s family on her show many years ago, THEN they totaled over 120. Can’t imagine what it must be now! That must be one heck of a “Secret Santa” list!! No. I don't believe Rose was Aunt Kate's daughter. I think Rose was a cousin from another relative. Possibly not a first cousin. Still, Rose called Elizabeth her niece when Stanley Perkins came to call.
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Post by Easton on Dec 20, 2021 21:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by Kyle on Dec 20, 2021 22:00:49 GMT -5
Rose is Olivia’s cousin. Livvie talks about when she was young, her family had the flu or something like that and Rose came to take care of them all. Olivia felt indebted to her, which is part of the reason Livvie felt she couldn’t turn her and her grandchildren away.
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Post by carol on Dec 21, 2021 14:17:22 GMT -5
I always had the impression that Olivia's parents were deceased. I'm not sure that Rose could be Aunt Kate's daughter as she appears to be around the same age as Kate. Rose possibly could be Olivia's mother's or father's cousin which would make her,I think, Olivia's first cousin once removed?
In the episode where John and Olivia renewed their wedding vows it was mentioned that Olivia had brothers.
In the new Homecoming the grandparents were Olivia's parents not John's
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Post by Johnny on Dec 22, 2021 2:16:46 GMT -5
She couldn’t have been from John Walton’s side of the family since he was an only child, right? John wasn't an only child. Zeb & Esther had 3 children. One we suspect died at childbirth or shortly thereafter. An there was Benjamin who died while serving with John in WW-I. As far as we know, Ben did not marry, so I suspect Rose is not his child.
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Post by JessicaGirlSpy on Dec 22, 2021 11:58:35 GMT -5
Although I have only one sibling with no children, I am still confused about the term “2nd cousins” or “3rd cousins, once removed”. I have found some more family with my account on Ancestry.com, but I forget their “exact title” and just say “my newly discovered relative.” Put simply, cousins are determined by lineage, but it can get a bit confusing, but I'll give it a go.
First cousins are determined by grandparents. Second cousins are determined by great-grandparents. The 'removed' bit is determined by how many generations separate the cousins.
Since I don't know your family tree, I'll use myself as an example. Just substitute me for yourself and everything will fit for you.
My paternal grandparents had 2 children. My father's brother was my uncle. My maternal grandparents had 5 children and my mother's brothers and sister were also my aunt and uncles.
Now, my Mom and Dad had 7 children. My uncles and aunts (except for one uncle) had from 3 to 6 children each. All those children became my First Cousins. When my cousins married and had children, their children became my 'First Cousins Once Removed', meaning that we were separated by a single generation. If that child were to have a child, he would be my 'First Cousin Twice Removed' (separated by 2 generations). That formula works for every generation in the family tree.
Now it gets confusing when we get to second cousins. For that, we have to go back to the great-grandparents. To keep it simple, I will pretend that my paternal grandfather had only 1 brother. He would be my father's uncle and my great uncle. My great uncle's child would be my father's First Cousin and my First Cousin Once Removed. My uncle's grandchild would be my Second Cousin, and his great-grandchild would be my Second Cousin Once Removed.
See? I told you it was confusing.
Now, with all that in consideration, use this simple chart to follow your own family tree:
I remember when I was in 6th grade I confided to one of my sisters about a little crush I had on a boy in 4-H. My sister informed me he was something liked my third cousin removed!
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Post by ellaroo on Dec 22, 2021 14:33:53 GMT -5
Put simply, cousins are determined by lineage, but it can get a bit confusing, but I'll give it a go.
First cousins are determined by grandparents. Second cousins are determined by great-grandparents. The 'removed' bit is determined by how many generations separate the cousins.
Since I don't know your family tree, I'll use myself as an example. Just substitute me for yourself and everything will fit for you.
My paternal grandparents had 2 children. My father's brother was my uncle. My maternal grandparents had 5 children and my mother's brothers and sister were also my aunt and uncles.
Now, my Mom and Dad had 7 children. My uncles and aunts (except for one uncle) had from 3 to 6 children each. All those children became my First Cousins. When my cousins married and had children, their children became my 'First Cousins Once Removed', meaning that we were separated by a single generation. If that child were to have a child, he would be my 'First Cousin Twice Removed' (separated by 2 generations). That formula works for every generation in the family tree.
Now it gets confusing when we get to second cousins. For that, we have to go back to the great-grandparents. To keep it simple, I will pretend that my paternal grandfather had only 1 brother. He would be my father's uncle and my great uncle. My great uncle's child would be my father's First Cousin and my First Cousin Once Removed. My uncle's grandchild would be my Second Cousin, and his great-grandchild would be my Second Cousin Once Removed.
See? I told you it was confusing.
Now, with all that in consideration, use this simple chart to follow your own family tree:
I remember when I was in 6th grade I confided to one of my sisters about a little crush I had on a boy in 4-H. My sister informed me he was something liked my third cousin removed! Well, you can marry your cousin and it's once removed, twice removed, it wouldnt matter but I probably would NOT advised marrying family members. Family trees are quite fascinating but complex especially if you have so many aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. I don't that big of a family but I know some people that would probably spent an entire day working on just one side of their family. Thinking about, was there any episode where making a family tree was involved? I feel like there is one but I can't remember the title.
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Post by Easton on Dec 22, 2021 16:24:07 GMT -5
^ I believe 'family trees' existed only in family Bibles and stories handed down from generation to generation. The only family tree, I believe, was in the Season 6 episode 'The Family Tree' in which Jason helps Verdie find her 'roots'.
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Post by Brenda on Dec 22, 2021 20:58:05 GMT -5
^ I believe 'family trees' existed only in family Bibles and stories handed down from generation to generation. The only family tree, I believe, was in the Season 6 episode 'The Family Tree' in which Jason helps Verdie find her 'roots'. I think it was in The Homecoming, John Boy asked Grandpa how they came to get Waltons Mountain, and Grandpa answered with his “You can’t own a mountain…” speech, but he also said, “ It’s all there in the family Bible.” He went on to tell John Boy about his grandfather (John Boy’s great great grandfather) who came to the mountain. You are right. Family Bibles are a great source for people who research genealogy. I have my great grandparents’ Family Bible from the 1800s. I found it in my mother’s things after she died. It has all the births, marriages, deaths, etc recorded for at least 3 generations of the family written in my great grandparents’ own handwriting. It’s very fragile, so I don’t handle it much.
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Post by patriciaanne on Dec 22, 2021 23:42:32 GMT -5
All About the Waltons is usually accurate, but not in this case. When Rose comes to stay, Olivia tells John how Rose came and took care of her family when. They were all down with the flu.
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Post by Brenda on Dec 27, 2021 13:17:12 GMT -5
Here are a couple of photos from my great grandparents’ family Bible. I posted these on ancestry awhile back. They were married in 1865, just after the Civil War ended. My great grandfather had served in the Confederate army.
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