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Post by rickking on Aug 29, 2020 14:53:09 GMT -5
The Baldwin Sisters were so delightful! Miss Emily talking about Ashley Longworth or trying to drive, doncha know? Miss Mamie trying to steer her sister back onto topic. Both ladies always so appreciative of the slightest kindness.
And of course, The Recipe.
I'm not sure, but I think The Recipe was whisky. I've always wondered what proof it was. And while I realize the recipe for The Recipe was a closely guarded secret, was the main ingredient corn? I think that's what most whisky is made from.
Now Prohibition was repealed in December, 1933, so it was in effect during most of the first season of The Waltons, but The Baldwin Sisters got in trouble a couple of times after that, and I'm not sure why. They were not selling The Recipe, so the "revenuers" should have nothing to say about it. Was simply manufacturing liquor illegal in the 30s and later?
John did eventually inherit the recipe for The Recipe. It would be nice if this recipe were published with some of the other Walton recipes!
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Post by Brenda on Aug 29, 2020 15:06:49 GMT -5
I think making whiskey for your own consumption is illegal even today whether you sell it or not. I think you have to have a permit from the ATF to make whiskey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 15:07:51 GMT -5
I have always wondered why someone has not labeled some type of alcohol The Recipe and sold it. It would do well.
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Post by Easton on Aug 29, 2020 16:01:48 GMT -5
The Baldwin Sisters were so delightful! Miss Emily talking about Ashley Longworth or trying to drive, doncha know? Miss Mamie trying to steer her sister back onto topic. Both ladies always so appreciative of the slightest kindness.
And of course, The Recipe.
I'm not sure, but I think The Recipe was whisky. I've always wondered what proof it was. And while I realize the recipe for The Recipe was a closely guarded secret, was the main ingredient corn? I think that's what most whisky is made from.
Now Prohibition was repealed in December, 1933, so it was in effect during most of the first season of The Waltons, but The Baldwin Sisters got in trouble a couple of times after that, and I'm not sure why. They were not selling The Recipe, so the "revenuers" should have nothing to say about it. Was simply manufacturing liquor illegal in the 30s and later?
John did eventually inherit the recipe for The Recipe. It would be nice if this recipe were published with some of the other Walton recipes!
I'll try to answer your 3 questions despite not having a clue how to make moonshine.
The recipe was, indeed, whiskey, probably made with either corn or grain. The ingredients were added to water and set to boil before being distilled into the liquor. Since the Baldwins made it themselves with a still (distiller) it was moonshine whiskey which was and is illegal. I have no idea what the proof was, but I suspect it was rather low, perhaps 40 to 50 proof because of the ease with which it was drank. ('Proof', by the way, is not the same as 'percent'. 100 proof does not mean 100% alcohol. Pure alcohol is 200 proof.) That's why the TV show 'Moonshiners' is so fake. They wouldn't even be allowed to make real whiskey in the first place, nor would the police not be able to track them down and arrest them for all those seasons.
Prohibition made the sale and drinking of liquor and beer of any kind illegal. That's why Canada became so popular. Liquor and beer were not prohibited and 'rum runners' made frequent trips across the border, bought their booze, and then hightailed it back across the border and tried to outrun the police. They also 'ran' moonshine. So, even after Prohibition was repealed, The Recipe wasn't. It was still illegal.
John didn't inherit The Recipe and neither did Ike or anyone else. It was in the episode 'Founder's Day'. The Baldwins were going to entrust someone with The Recipe so Papa's legacy could live on after they died, but they couldn't decide who to entrust it to. Near the end of the episode, Ike was talking to the sisters and then joined John. John asked if they decided who to leave it with and Ike, laughing his head off, replied, "They decided not to go!!"
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Post by alanankrett1 on Aug 29, 2020 16:26:33 GMT -5
Hi Easton
I will correct you slightly.
It was my trade for well over 25 years.
The easiest way to define alcohol is ABV.
Alcohol By Volume.
Proofage is irrelevant in this context.
The purest form of alcohol, if my memory is correct, is pure ethanol. A few drops of which could easily kill you.
Anti-freeze is a diluted form of ethylene glycol. A similar solution.
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Post by Easton on Aug 29, 2020 17:07:08 GMT -5
I know what ABV is as I explained in my post, but moonshine whiskey is measured by 'proof', which is not the same as percentage. |
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Post by rickking on Aug 30, 2020 0:10:59 GMT -5
To alanankrett1,
Great information, but John Walton did indeed inherit the recipe for The Recipe. In the final reunion movie, about the pregnancy of John-Boy's wife Janet, the Baldwin ladies had grown quite elderly, and they gave John the recipe. So one has to believe that the Waltons are still making The Recipe today!
And I agree that the proof was probably 40-50 or something low, allowing folks to sip the delightful beverage!
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Post by Johnny on Aug 30, 2020 0:41:09 GMT -5
John did eventually inherit the recipe for The Recipe. It would be nice if this recipe were published with some of the other Walton recipes! John didn't inherit The Recipe and neither did Ike or anyone else. It was in the episode 'Founder's Day'. The Baldwins were going to entrust someone with The Recipe so Papa's legacy could live on after they died, but they couldn't decide who to entrust it to. Near the end of the episode, Ike was talking to the sisters and then joined John. John asked if they decided who to leave it with and Ike, laughing his head off, replied, "They decided not to go!!"
Good eye Rick. Easton If you go back and re-watch the film A Walton Easter (1997), you will be reminded John did receive the recipe to The Recipe. John & family were bequeathed The Recipe by Miss Emily & Miss Mamie, in honor to Grandpa Zeb, with the wish that John-boy & his brothers pass it on to their sons & daughters.  *Rick you must have posted your reply, while i was composing this note. |
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Post by Johnny on Aug 30, 2020 1:44:13 GMT -5
And of course, The Recipe.
I'm not sure, but I think The Recipe was whisky. I've always wondered what proof it was. And while I realize the recipe for The Recipe was a closely guarded secret, was the main ingredient corn? I think that's what most whisky is made from.
It would be nice if this recipe were published with some of the other Walton recipes!
In S7E3 The Moonshiner, Boone helped the Baldwins make a new batch of The Recipe after they had lost their recipe. He helped by recreating the instructions for The Recipe. As I recall, several of the ingredients were mentioned during that episode, especially while Miss Mamie was writing it down under Boone's tutelage. You may want to re-watch and listen for them. I seem to recall them using ground corn and sugar. Remember when they would go down to Ike's and buy lots of sugar. Boone tells the Baldwin ladies his papa used to say, "the best medicine is 100 proof" so i suspect Boone distilled his shine to that concentration. If you watch the documentary with Popcorn Sutton, he takes you through the whole process of making shine. I believe Boone made his in a similar fashion. |
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Post by Johnny on Aug 30, 2020 1:57:25 GMT -5
It would be nice if this recipe were published with some of the other Walton recipes!
To get you started. Here is a list of contents of The Waltons Family Cookbook (I made reference to this on a different thread in this forum) |
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Post by alanankrett1 on Aug 30, 2020 3:39:29 GMT -5
I know what ABV is as I explained in my post, but moonshine whiskey is measured by 'proof', which is not the same as percentage. |
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Post by alanankrett1 on Aug 30, 2020 3:44:58 GMT -5
Irrelevant !!!!
My trade for well over 20 years.
It is a legal requirement to register any alcoholic drink by ABV.
I still remember the word "proof" or " proofage" being used in my youth but it is inaccurate in modern terms.
Probably was relevant in the WALTONS era though
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Post by Easton on Aug 30, 2020 7:47:37 GMT -5
John didn't inherit The Recipe and neither did Ike or anyone else. It was in the episode 'Founder's Day'. The Baldwins were going to entrust someone with The Recipe so Papa's legacy could live on after they died, but they couldn't decide who to entrust it to. Near the end of the episode, Ike was talking to the sisters and then joined John. John asked if they decided who to leave it with and Ike, laughing his head off, replied, "They decided not to go!!"
Good eye Rick. Easton If you go back and re-watch the film A Walton Easter (1997), you will be reminded John did receive the recipe to The Recipe. John & family were bequeathed The Recipe by Miss Emily & Miss Mamie, in honor to Grandpa Zeb, with the wish that John-boy & his brothers pass it on to their sons & daughters. *Rick you must have posted your reply, while i was composing this note. I have never seen the movie. My only knowledge came from Founder's Day', and I remember it most because of Joe Connelly's delivery and his infectious laugh.
Thanks for the update. I learned something new.
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Post by alanankrett1 on Aug 30, 2020 11:54:11 GMT -5
Hi Easton
You must try and watch the films.
I have seen them a few times in recent years.
Still haven't seen SPENCER'S MOUNTAIN though. Possibly saw it in my youth but can't remember it
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Post by bernmtl on Nov 29, 2021 2:18:07 GMT -5
In Season 2 Episode 7, "The Prize" Olivia bakes a cake for the fair competition. Grandma comes up to Olivia as she's preparing the cake. "Livie, now don't you tell a soul, but almond wasn't what cousin Paulie used in her icing. "No, what did she use?" asks Livie. "Whiskey. Rye whiskey. I don't like to say it, but it was delicious." responds Grandma. "Grandma, I'm surprised at you!" Livie tells her disapprovingly. Olivia dismisses the idea of getting whiskey (The Recipe) from the Baldwin Sisters', but Grandma says Zeb hides a pint bottle under his woollen socks. They agree to take a smidgeon of it to flavour the cake icing. At the fair, Olivia's cake wins first prize over a nearly identical cake because of the deliciously flavoured icing.
From my far-from-complete knowledge of distilling in early America, I do know that corn whiskey (Bourbon) became more popular with Western migration into Kentucky, and that the older type of whiskey was rye-based. The Bourbon distillers in the West resisted taxation even more during the Whiskey Rebellion, likely helping their industry. Rye whiskey continued to be dominant in Pennsylvania and Maryland and in the Monongahela River area, which flows northward from West Virginia.
Rye whiskey nearly disappeared after Prohibition. Because the Baldwin Sisters' father would likely have been more familiar with rye whisky rather than Bourbon, The Recipe may well be rye-based.
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