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Post by celticladyab on Mar 25, 2013 13:35:28 GMT -5
I watched an episode of the Walton's last night that I had never seen before. In the show all the boys were in different places through the war and the only ones at home were Elizabeth, Mary Ellen and Erin along with a lady named Rose and a girl with a child called Cindy ( I got the feeling she married Ben). What happened to John (dad) Olivia, grnadma and grandpa. Who are Rose and Cindy and how did they ome to be a part of the show?
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Post by AR15 on Mar 25, 2013 13:49:40 GMT -5
I watched an episode of the Walton's last night that I had never seen before. In the show all the boys were in different places through the war and the only ones at home were Elizabeth, Mary Ellen and Erin along with a lady named Rose and a girl with a child called Cindy ( I got the feeling she married Ben). What happened to John (dad) Olivia, grnadma and grandpa. Who are Rose and Cindy and how did they ome to be a part of the show? Well, Olivia developed teburculosis and had to move to a sanitorium, but later recovered and came back. John-Boy was then in an accident in the war, and brought home in a coma and so Olivia got a job at the hospital so should could be with him, but to work there she would have to move away from the family. She later decided to stay living away from the family and continue working at the hospital after John-Boy recovered but her teburculosis came back and she had to return to the sanitorium. John missed Olivia, and so when she went to the sanitorium for the second time, he came with her. Zebulon (Grandpa) suddenly died of a heart attack (while picking flowers, I believe), this was due to the fact that actor Will Geer had sadly died in real life. Esther (Grandma) had a stroke (due to actor Ellen Corby's real life stroke) and was in hospital recovering for a very long time. When she eventually came back, she was not fully back to her old self, she could not talk nor could she walk properly, but she came back and involved herself with the family as usual. However, every now and then she would be mysteriously gone with no explanation, often for several episodes at a time. Eventually she was gone permenantly, and it was mentioned she was visiting all of the Walton cousins one after the other. Before long, they said she had moved to Buckingham county to live with different relatives. She only visited twice after this (though many years later it seems that she moved back with them). You were right about Cindy. In one episode you see that Ben has a girlfriend named Cindy. A little while later he shocks the whole family when they both walk in in the middle of the night and announce that they are married! Rose is a cousin of the Waltons. She had nowhere to go and so, along with her grandchildren Geoffry and Selena (who were escaping abusive parents), she moved in. Geoffry and Selena eventually disappear and it is mentioned that their parents have changed their ways and so they are moving back with them, but Rose stays to live with the Waltons. I hope that helps  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 13:53:36 GMT -5
^^^^^^ Sounds like a soap opera, no wonder ratings were down.
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Post by Marilyn on Mar 25, 2013 20:20:49 GMT -5
It was unbelievable that Livy would stay away from the family, for ANY reason. Poor script writing there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 8:48:17 GMT -5
I agree, there is no way a mother of such a close knit family would simply leave. I know it's Hollywoodland but it could surely have been made much more believable.
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Post by JeriJet on Mar 26, 2013 8:59:04 GMT -5
It was probably foolish of the producers to attempt to keep the show going, with all the key players gone or wanting to opt out for various reasons. We know Michael said it wasn't the same for her from the time Richard left.... Had to be tough for the writers to come up with acceptable/believable stories.
Rose and her grandchildren needing to find a home made some degree of sense to me -- the Waltons were a family who wouldn't refuse them.... and I actually liked some of the "Rose" stories, especially her wanting to lose some weight, her teaching Ike to dance, her relationship with Stanley (thought Shallert was great in those), her heart problems, etc. -- could have lived without the kids, however.... At the very least, the Rose storylines added some continuity.
The storyline regarding Liv didn't bother me so much.... I could see her almost finding a "second calling" working at the hospital -- most of her children were adults at this point and finding their own way. The biggest puzzle for me is her managing to stay far away from John !!
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Post by River on Mar 26, 2013 9:49:55 GMT -5
Hard to believe Olivia would leave Elizabeth as she was changing and in need of a mother for advice.
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Post by wmfan/waltonsportwriter on Mar 26, 2013 10:14:13 GMT -5
Life and circumstances happen. Was Earl Hamner's mother Olivia's character sick as well. It makes it more believable to know such events happened in Earl's family, but there is a Hollywood element for television, and that's what keeps us watching. Wm Fan
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Post by Uncle Coaster on Mar 26, 2013 11:22:28 GMT -5
Rose and her grandchildren needing to find a home made some degree of sense to me -- the Waltons were a family who wouldn't refuse them.... and I actually liked some of the "Rose" stories, especially her wanting to lose some weight, her teaching Ike to dance, her relationship with Stanley (thought Shallert was great in those), her heart problems, etc. -- could have lived without the kids, however.... At the very least, the Rose storylines added some continuity. I totally agree with this. I absolutely loved the Rose character and Peggy Rea's portrayal of her. I could have lived without the kids, too. As far as Olivia goes, I wonder what they could have done differently. Even with the changes at the end, the Waltons (to me) was still better than almost any other show on tv at the time. I'm glad they kept going. So, what kind of story could they have come up with to explain her disappearance and kept the character alive? I think the illness is the most likely thing to keep her away. What are some other peoples ideas? |
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Post by goodnight on Mar 26, 2013 11:37:07 GMT -5
Rose and her grandchildren needing to find a home made some degree of sense to me -- the Waltons were a family who wouldn't refuse them.... and I actually liked some of the "Rose" stories, especially her wanting to lose some weight, her teaching Ike to dance, her relationship with Stanley (thought Shallert was great in those), her heart problems, etc. -- could have lived without the kids, however.... At the very least, the Rose storylines added some continuity. I totally agree with this. I absolutely loved the Rose character and Peggy Rea's portrayal of her. I could have lived without the kids, too. As far as Olivia goes, I wonder what they could have done differently. Even with the changes at the end, the Waltons (to me) was still better than almost any other show on tv at the time. I'm glad they kept going. So, what kind of story could they have come up with to explain her disappearance and kept the character alive? I think the illness is the most likely thing to keep her away. What are some other peoples ideas? If Michael Learned did not want to come back to the show the second time. They should have had her character have a relapse when JohnBoy was released from the hospital. Later on when Ralph Waite wanted to leave, they could say the treatment at the Virginia sanitorium wasn't working and that could explain why they both left for Arizona. That thing about her staying away working for the Red Cross after JohnBoy recovered was a lame excuse. |
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Post by Uncle Coaster on Mar 26, 2013 12:13:19 GMT -5
Ah, yes. The Red Cross thing was goofy. Agreed.
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Post by JeriJet on Mar 26, 2013 12:25:08 GMT -5
Ah, yes. The Red Cross thing was goofy. Agreed. I think that was a stop-gap measure, while they were trying to come up with something else.... As a purely temporary situation, it didn't bother me much.... It's not as if all the kids were home needing her desperately. It appeared that the family understood her decision, oddly. WE were the ones who had the problem with it !!! |
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Post by weezer29 on Mar 27, 2013 2:09:50 GMT -5
Although I know the reason for the changes, I find it 'unbelievable' that they would have Grandma living with other relatives taking care of her. She lived at the Walton house all her life, then suddenly when things get rough for her (the stroke), the family can't take care of her anymore. Really? That flies in the face of the whole basis of the show. I understand that the actress was unavailable, but couldn't they have had her stay in her room all that time. LOL And maybe mentioned that they were bringing Grandma some tea or biscuits. Instead they ship her out to relatives that she never hung out with before.
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Post by JeriJet on Mar 27, 2013 5:27:42 GMT -5
Although I know the reason for the changes, I find it 'unbelievable' that they would have Grandma living with other relatives taking care of her. She lived at the Walton house all her life, then suddenly when things get rough for her (the stroke), the family can't take care of her anymore. Really? That flies in the face of the whole basis of the show. I understand that the actress was unavailable, but couldn't they have had her stay in her room all that time. LOL And maybe mentioned that they were bringing Grandma some tea or biscuits. Instead they ship her out to relatives that she never hung out with before. Hmmm.... well, here's something to think about -- I have noticed that for me, in my "golden years", I am reaching out more and more to relatives I haven't seen in a while.... wanting to reconnect and spend some time with them before it's too late.... and not just relatives, but old school friends, too. Also -- old friends and far-flung relatives are reaching out to me, too.... I am spending more and more time catching up with people. So, I can find some reasonable meaning to Esther's visiting around here and there.... that's my justification, anyway !! Helps me not to get too irritated with the writers !! |
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Post by wmfan/waltonsportwriter on Mar 27, 2013 9:20:56 GMT -5
Although I know the reason for the changes, I find it 'unbelievable' that they would have Grandma living with other relatives taking care of her. She lived at the Walton house all her life, then suddenly when things get rough for her (the stroke), the family can't take care of her anymore. Really? That flies in the face of the whole basis of the show. I understand that the actress was unavailable, but couldn't they have had her stay in her room all that time. LOL And maybe mentioned that they were bringing Grandma some tea or biscuits. Instead they ship her out to relatives that she never hung out with before. Hmmm.... well, here's something to think about -- I have noticed that for me, in my "golden years", I am reaching out more and more to relatives I haven't seen in a while.... wanting to reconnect and spend some time with them before it's too late.... and not just relatives, but old school friends, too. Also -- old friends and far-flung relatives are reaching out to me, too.... I am spending more and more time catching up with people. So, I can find some reasonable meaning to Esther's visiting around here and there.... that's my justification, anyway !! Helps me not to get too irritated with the writers !! You want Grandma in the house getting served tea and biscuts in the bedroom, but nobody sees her. What is she a shut in. That's bizzare! |
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