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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 22, 2018 11:39:06 GMT -5
he thought NOT printing it would lead to the stuff that the town ended up doing, right ?
Printing it led to the fear and ignorance in the town that he was trying to prevent, right ?
But Why WOULD anybody want to read the evil stuff in that book ? Everybody knew that hitler was evil
what good would come out of it beside learning how hitler was gonna takeover the world so it could be stopped if tried again? So I could see why you wouldnt wanna burn it for those reasons
I dont know about printing it in a country newspaper,though.. It obviously caused a lot of trouble for awhile.
He should have just written something, like, " Meinkampf is an evil book, but it shows how an evil (censored) is planning on taking over a country which makes it valuable cause we will know the characteristics and strategies of maniac's "
edit-However, we dont know the excerpts John boy printed cause we DIDNT..GET TO READ ..IT lol. I guess maybe I agree with john boy now. I would have to at least read his article to make a real opinion.
Is it simple as a freedom of press and free speech issue ?
Dont get me wrong, I love the episode and the acting and writing in it.. but scholars from both these viewpoints have argued about this specific book.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 22, 2018 20:40:47 GMT -5
It is just wild that a subject like THAT was argued in a community where they were just getting use to wearing shoes..but THAT was the essence of the series IMO
I'm not going to,but if I posted excerpts of mein kampf, would you guys like it or not like it ?
As an example, Think of this forum as our "Blue Ridge Chronicle"...Would you have the same opinion as Rev.Fordwick or the same opinion as JB ?
.I honestly see both sides.That book is probably THE most extreme example..it is not like Huckleberry Finn and other books that have been banned.
I read a couple of excerpts of it ,and I couldnt take much..it's like a (censored) horror novel written in the 1st person. And I DO NOT like those either
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Post by nedandres on Nov 22, 2018 21:14:37 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn’t want to read it, but censorship is not the solution.
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Post by carol on Nov 23, 2018 0:25:18 GMT -5
I think John Boy wanted people to be aware of what was happening in the world. He wanted people to know what Hitler was doing and what he planned to do and what would happen if he succeeded. He was also saying that ignoring the book,banning it or burning it wouldn't stop what was happening in Europe.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 23, 2018 0:31:37 GMT -5
I think John Boy wanted people to be aware of what was happening in the world. He wanted people to know what Hitler was doing and what he planned to do and what would happen if he succeeded. He was also saying that ignoring the book,banning it or burning it wouldn't stop what was happening in Europe. great answer , carol. I agree but would you want to read excerpts in a newspaper ?
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Post by carol on Nov 23, 2018 0:51:51 GMT -5
I think John Boy wanted people to be aware of what was happening in the world. He wanted people to know what Hitler was doing and what he planned to do and what would happen if he succeeded. He was also saying that ignoring the book,banning it or burning it wouldn't stop what was happening in Europe. great answer , carol. I agree but would you want to read excerpts in a newspaper ? I probably would start reading it out of curiosity. I could then choose to continue to read or stop reading or not read it at all and turn the page. I don't read every article in the newspaper because some don't interest me but I have no right to tell the editor what he should or shouldn't put in his paper because I don't find certain articles and topics to my liking. What other way was there for John Boy to get the word out? Except for the radio the newspaper was the only way to get the news and happenings in the world out to the public.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 23, 2018 1:33:17 GMT -5
great answer , carol. I agree but would you want to read excerpts in a newspaper ? I probably would start reading it out of curiosity. I could then choose to continue to read or stop reading or not read it at all and turn the page. I don't read every article in the newspaper because some don't interest me but I have no right to tell the editor what he should or shouldn't put in his paper because I don't find certain articles and topics to my liking. What other way was there for John Boy to get the word out? Except for the radio the newspaper was the only way to get the news and happenings in the world out to the public. I like the points you are making.... thank you for discussing this i just dont know how i feel...I see both sides when it comes to THIS book. THIS book was about as bad as it gets when it comes to"hate speech"
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Post by e knight on Nov 23, 2018 8:16:01 GMT -5
If John Boy really were a good writer, he'd have composed a critical review of the book, quoting as needed and offering rebuttal.
Presenting the (translated) text verbatim would have suggested an endorsement to many in his audience.
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Post by aresalz on Nov 23, 2018 14:52:12 GMT -5
I agree with others who have posted here, JB was selling news papers and for me the key word is NEWS. Where is excerpts from a book news? Yes, an opinionated critique could have been acceptable.
Being a small rural newspaper, JB might have sold more papers if he had concentrated on local news, something his few readers would want to read. My opinion is that the show presented the locals as still trying to keep their heads in the sand and try to ignore what was happening in Europe. JB throwing it up in their face so to speak kind of got the locals peeowed.
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Post by patriciaanne on Nov 24, 2018 7:41:57 GMT -5
Would I WANT to read this book? No. If it were the late 1930s, would I NEED to know about the book--yes! It's hard to imagine in our current era of instant news, but average people weren't aware of what Hitler was doing. Who could imagine such atrocities?
I think John-Boy was trying to wake people up to the horrors of what was happening in Europe.
I am against censorship of all kinds. Each individual should be free to decide for himself/herself what he/she wants to read or hear. Freedom of speech is one of our most valuable rights. We should never allow ourselves to assign to one person or one body of persons the responsibility to decide what the rest of us can see/hear. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 24, 2018 15:22:05 GMT -5
If John Boy really were a good writer, he'd have composed a critical review of the book, quoting as needed and offering rebuttal. Presenting the (translated) text verbatim would have suggested an endorsement to many in his audience. I was reading something and now they print a copy of the book where scholars have added footnotes to it showing the reader it's full of poop . edit- He should have listened to Mrs. Bremmer. She warned him. To say Jb was a little head strong in the series on occasion would be fair, wouldnt it ?
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 24, 2018 19:14:03 GMT -5
If John Boy really were a good writer, he'd have composed a critical review of the book, quoting as needed and offering rebuttal. Presenting the (translated) text verbatim would have suggested an endorsement to many in his audience. Well, that is what the 2 punks who messed with the papers in his car thought he was doing since they were basically calling him hitler Unless, they were actual Nazis who thought Jb was trying to expose them.....but that wasnt the case...I think I took their "seig hiels " as jokingly/sarcastically calling jb Hitler or a follower
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Nov 24, 2018 19:18:15 GMT -5
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Post by goldfinch1 on Nov 24, 2018 20:45:26 GMT -5
Would I WANT to read this book? No. If it were the late 1930s, would I NEED to know about the book--yes! It's hard to imagine in our current era of instant news, but average people weren't aware of what Hitler was doing. Who could imagine such atrocities? I think John-Boy was trying to wake people up to the horrors of what was happening in Europe. I am against censorship of all kinds. Each individual should be free to decide for himself/herself what he/she wants to read or hear. Freedom of speech is one of our most valuable rights. We should never allow ourselves to assign to one person or one body of persons the responsibility to decide what the rest of us can see/hear. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Well said Patriciaane, I absolutely agree!🌸
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 15:26:44 GMT -5
I don't think that JB would be right or wrong, but in truth, I am not sure the mountain people would be able to read Mein Kampf. I was trying to find the pdf copy that I read a few summers ago for my bedtime reading. I enjoyed reading it. I found it boring and fascinating. While looking for the same pdf I read, I found this www.hitler-library.org/Mein-Kampf-Translation-Controversy.pdf It gives an overview of Mein Kampf. After reading just a few paragraphs, I am not sure the mountain folk would have been sophisticated enough to read MK. This author brings up some great points. "It is often claimed that Hitler was an Atheist. After reading Mein Kampf it is clear he believed in a God and Heaven, and especially in a fate or more accurately a plan for our destiny that involves self determinism. Claims that he was an Atheist are frequently used to distance him from any religion. No one wants to say they have the same religion as Hitler. "... Now I know why I could not find the pdf I read. Apparently, there are several translations. I can find the Ford translation, but I do not think Ford is the one I read. From the above-mentioned pdf "Ford Translation This is the newest translation which was released in 2009. The past translations were mostly rushed to press with little time for editing and correction. The Ford translation was not rushed to press and was thoroughly researched. It is the first translation verified by actual German native speakers. This is the easiest-to-read translation ever made. It has revealed many elements of Mein Kampf which were not part of past translations including sayings by Hitler and his poetic style which were edited out of older translations. The Ford translation also maintains a high standard of accuracy. " This is the Ford translation. der-fuehrer.org/meinkampf/english/Mein%20Kampf%20(Ford%20Translation).pdf
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