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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 30, 2017 0:18:05 GMT -5
yeah, that's cool everybody. I know I am in the minority on this one. I didn't mean anything bad towards you guys. It's just a pet peeve of mine.
You just got figure that most of *you* guys traveled along way too, and I don't know anybody's financial situation , but I am sure their were some families that came who quite frankly don't have a lot of money to do these trips ,and it might be the only vacation/trip they take for years. Now imagine them asking for an autograph and being told to pay for it. Imagine them having to tell their child who was with them why they couldn't get the autograph.
For an autograph that quite frankly nobody outside the fandom cares about and wouldn't recognize
Well, I have made my opinion clear. I don't want this to become a big thing.
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Post by carol on Mar 30, 2017 0:41:23 GMT -5
I can see charging a fee to the event promoter for their appearance but not charging each fan for an autograph.
The Batimore Orioles and I'm sure the other baseball teams as well charge admission for their fan fests plus another fee for autographs. Every player had an autograph fee and the more popular the player the higher the cost. That is just wrong and why I don't go to fan fest. We're already paying their outrageous salaries by going to games and buying team merchandise. Why should we be gouged for an autograph. I'm not saying we're entitled to that autograph but we are paying just to walk in the door. so why not throw in the autograph?
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 30, 2017 2:10:59 GMT -5
I can see charging a fee to the event promoter for their appearance but not charging each fan for an autograph. The Batimore Orioles and I'm sure the other baseball teams as well charge admission for their fan fests plus another fee for autographs. Every player had an autograph fee and the more popular the player the higher the cost. That is just wrong and why I don't go to fan fest. We're already paying their outrageous salaries by going to games and buying team merchandise. Why should we be gouged for an autograph. I'm not saying we're entitled to that autograph but we are paying just to walk in the door. so why not throw in the autograph? Carol, That is why I have the opinion I do. Little awesomemixtape(me) and My Father stood in Line to get his hero's-willie mays- autograph at a minor league game(Charleston Charlies, Brenda) Willie was not a nice guy
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Post by patriciaanne on Mar 30, 2017 8:50:41 GMT -5
In fairness, I don't know how the cast was paid. They may have received a flat payment from the promoter, with all other fees--inclung autographs--going to the promoter.
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Post by Brenda on Mar 30, 2017 11:04:07 GMT -5
I don't know how it worked either. I think it must have been very expensive to host an event like this. I assume that the actors were compensated for the time and effort they put into it though. I think you had to be there to appreciate how uncomfortable it must have been for them to sit there all day, signing their names and posing for photographs. It lasted much longer than it was intended to because so many fans showed up. Then Eric Scott, David Harper, Kami Cotler, and Rachel Longaker spent several more hours posing for the pony cart photos. After all that, they returned to Charlottesville and attended the banquet that evening, then they got up early and attended the service to honor Earl in Schuyler on Sunday morning. They did all of this without complaining, or if they complained, it wasn't in front of the fans, or at least I didn't hear them complain.
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Post by awesomemixtape10 on Mar 30, 2017 13:30:53 GMT -5
hey, who cares what I think ? lol you guys actually went, had a great time and don't mind, so what do I know ? lol
Just my personal opinion...Like I said, I love the show and the cast. They seem like they are really good people. They would probably understand my point of view. They May not agree with it, but I don't think they would hold it against me.
Like u said, Brenda, I would probably have to be there to get it. Again, you guys were, and I haven't read about a negative experience with them on here
Yes, there were probably some *fans* that were flat out rude to them,
Also I know , it could be hard to be *on* for a whole weekend.
I just couldn't charge for an autograph. OR pay for one.
I have just had a lot of bad experiences with pro athletes. that soured me
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Post by Gordon on Mar 30, 2017 22:58:03 GMT -5
If I was John Boy #2, I probably wouldn't want to go, even for a little money. That's a tough act to follow, and I wouldn't want to deal with the negativity.
Regarding autographs, I'd pay for that; I don't see anything wrong with it.
As for royalties on re-airings of the old shows, does the cast get nothing? What about the writers and technicians?
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Post by ForeverWaltons on Mar 30, 2017 23:21:40 GMT -5
If I was John Boy #2, I probably wouldn't want to go, even for a little money. That's a tough act to follow, and I wouldn't want to deal with the negativity. Regarding autographs, I'd pay for that; I don't see anything wrong with it. As for royalties on re-airings of the old shows, does the cast get nothing? What about the writers and technicians?
Gordon - I was talking to Lynn Hamilton (Verdie) at the Waltons Reunion in California on September 28th, 2012. She told me that she had recently gotten a residual check for the Waltons. It was for a quarter, that's right 25 cents! Lynn said, "The postage stamp to mail the check to me cost more than the check its self was worth."
Mr. Forever and I shared a table with Hal Williams (Harley) at that same reunion. He told us that you name the person that you want to get your residual checks after you die. Then that person gets to name a person after they die.
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Post by Gordon on Mar 31, 2017 0:18:54 GMT -5
If I was John Boy #2, I probably wouldn't want to go, even for a little money. That's a tough act to follow, and I wouldn't want to deal with the negativity. Regarding autographs, I'd pay for that; I don't see anything wrong with it. As for royalties on re-airings of the old shows, does the cast get nothing? What about the writers and technicians?
Gordon - I was talking to Lynn Hamilton (Verdie) at the Waltons Reunion in California on September 28th, 2012. She told me that she had recently gotten a residual check for the Waltons. It was for a quarter, that's right 25 cents! Lynn said, "The postage stamp to mail the check to me cost more than the check its self was worth."
Mr. Forever and I shared a table with Hal Williams (Harley) at that same reunion. He told us that you name the person that you want to get your residual checks after you die. Then that person gets to name a person after they die.
Well, that's crazy, but I've heard similar things about Bewitched royalties. Did their contracts specifically exclude compensation from future airings, or were they just too naive to think about that? I'm going to finish watching the Lost Sheep episode and try to go to asleep.
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Post by Paulie on Mar 31, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5
would anyone want his autograph?charging seems a bit unfair;the world of "celebrity" is a fickle one!
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Post by tommyc on Apr 1, 2017 18:42:37 GMT -5
Well, that's crazy, but I've heard similar things about Bewitched royalties. Did their contracts specifically exclude compensation from future airings, or were they just too naive to think about that? The world of high royalties for re-run programs is a relatively new development. Back when The Waltons and other older shows were filmed most contracts were probably silent on the issue. At the time there were only 3 major networks with limited time slots, so it was rare that old programs would be aired over and over again. If it was addressed in the contract, the residual percentage was probably extremely low. With the advent of cable and hundreds of channels, it opened up whole new opportunities for the airing of old series. Unfortunately for all those old actors with contracts that didn't address residuals or had a low percentage, they get crazy low checks like ForeverWaltons mentioned about Lynn Hamilton. There is a whole practice area of the law dedicated to helping celebrities fight for fair and just residuals. One example is the Elvis Presley Estate. They fought many legal battles to gain control over Elvis' image and intellectual property. Another example is the Happy Days cast. Some of the cast fought for residuals over merchandising and syndication profits. Current day contracts are extremely complicated and well thought out. An example of good residual contracts is Friends. I read that the main cast make around $2 million a year on residuals from re-runs!
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Post by Gordon on Apr 1, 2017 20:57:19 GMT -5
That's a very good point about the old three networks and how cable wasn't around to influence re-run residuals.
The pendulum seems to have swung the other way, though... $2 million a year from reruns? That must be part of the reason why our cable rates are so high today!
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Post by patriciaanne on Apr 2, 2017 4:16:51 GMT -5
That's a very good point about the old three networks and how cable wasn't around to influence re-run residuals. The pendulum seems to have swung the other way, though... $2 million a year from reruns? That must be part of the reason why our cable rates are so hig8h today! I say good for the cast!! The networks that air the re-runs are making a lot more money than that off their work (from commercials) so the cast should definitely be getting a good cut.
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Post by tommyc on Apr 2, 2017 15:31:35 GMT -5
Yeah, the production company of Friends (Warner Bros.), has made something like $3 Billion from Friends syndication deals.
As to charging for autographs, I find it distasteful when I hear about current celebrities & athletes charging for their autographs. They already make a ton of money thanks to us, the consumers of their product. It's a bit greedy to also charge us for an autograph.
But as for older celebrities & athletes I totally understand why they would charge and I can't blame them. They made decent money while they were "hot" but twenty or thirty years on they aren't making any real money from their past and they do need a current income stream.
I think it is interesting to note that Warner Brothers, (who has made $3 Billion from Friends) bought Lorimar, the production company of The Waltons. If big companies such as Warner Bros. had a soul, they'd make sure that the actors from their earlier programs, the actors who helped build them into such goliaths, would be taken better care of. This way those actors would get residual checks significantly higher than 25 cents!!
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Post by bucky on Apr 3, 2017 17:12:56 GMT -5
I think it is interesting to note that Warner Brothers, (who has made $3 Billion from Friends) bought Lorimar, the production company of The Waltons. If big companies such as Warner Bros. had a soul, they'd make sure that the actors from their earlier programs, the actors who helped build them into such goliaths, would be taken better care of. This way those actors would get residual checks significantly higher than 25 cents!! Absolutely in agreement with this! I also don't begrudge the actors earning some money from autographs - they seem to be uniformly generous with their time for fans. We're an awfully demanding lot these days. And to be fair to Robert Wightman, it wasn't his fault the stories took such a depressing turn when he returns from the war. I've always blamed the writers for not making it easier for him to step into the role. That sad-sack story in NY City was just awful - right up there with the story of Erin's despondent artist. I can't think of anyone who could have followed Richard Thomas's portrayal of John Boy without garnering a lot of flack.
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