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Post by pinkbaker07 on Aug 12, 2021 17:08:27 GMT -5
While I understand how painful it was for Olivia and John to lose a child, I am curious why they never told him until he found out.
How would you feel if you had a twin sibling that died at birth or shortly after and you weren't told?
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Post by patriciaanne on Aug 12, 2021 17:31:26 GMT -5
Well I'm really not all that surprised. That generation kept a lot of secrets. In fact, I think the default position was never tell anything to anyone unless they have a need to know.
Hard to imagine that in an environment where people post photos of their lunch on social media and go on tv to talk about their marital problems. 😄
I think somewhere in the middle would be better. 😉
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Post by goodnight on Aug 12, 2021 22:15:43 GMT -5
One thing that seems a bit of a plot hole about the story of JimBob's twin is where did they bury the baby? It seems odd that they would bury their child somewhere else, but if the grave was in their family plot, wouldn't the other children wonder whose grave it was.
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Post by ellaroo on Aug 14, 2021 14:21:24 GMT -5
I feel that they must've buried the baby somewhere in the mountain but never really got into that topic with non-family members. As patriciaanne said, family secrets like that were not to be disclosed. I'd like to hope Joe Zeb's grave was beside Grandpa's 😭
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Post by Easton on Aug 14, 2021 17:58:35 GMT -5
John and Olivia obviously knew, as did Grandma and Grandpa. Flossie Brimmer knew as she told Grandma that Jim-Bob had been asking about the night he was born. She didn't say anything, but I'm quite certain she knew as well.
So, who else could or would have known? The family doctor, for sure, but patient/client privilege, and the minister surely would have known if there was a minister at that time. Their wives would probably have know.
Still, that's a lot of people to have been sworn to secrecy.
There are a lot of questions but I'm sure the writer wasn't thinking of them at the time.
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Post by Kyle on Aug 17, 2021 13:20:23 GMT -5
I didn’t buy the premise of that episode at all. John and Olivia were progressive parents and simply wouldn’t have hidden something that important. I think about the episode with Young Olivia who lost her husband Bob (from The Shivaree) and how Grandma was concerned about exposing the kids to her grief, but Livvie strongly felt the children needed to learn how to deal with that. That attitude simply doesn’t jibe with not only never talking to Jim Bob about his twin brother but actually hiding it from him.
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Post by Easton on Aug 17, 2021 13:33:41 GMT -5
^ As John described it near the end, they did it because Olivia felt responsible for the still-birth, that she had done something to kill the baby. Still, it contradicted everything she was shown to be.
I guess it didn't have to make sense. It just had to make a good episode.
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Post by Brenda on Aug 17, 2021 13:44:58 GMT -5
I don’t think they intended to keep it a secret. As John explained to Jim Bob, he was trying to protect Olivia by not talking about it, and as time went on, it just got easier to not talk about it.
It does bother me that there was no mention of where the baby was buried. The Walton family would have certainly had a proper burial for their child and would have kept his grave decorated with flowers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 13:56:12 GMT -5
It does bother me that there was no mention of where the baby was buried. The Walton family would have certainly had a proper burial for their child and would have kept his grave decorated with flowers. And this is what makes it a crappy eye rolling episode for me. Once again, the writers did not pay enough attention to what was written before.
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Post by dayton3 on Aug 18, 2021 18:14:12 GMT -5
Same reason in "Blue Bloods" that Henry Reagan and his wife never told their only child Frances (Frank) that he had an older sibling that died in infancy.
Henry told Frank "We didn't want you growing up missing someone you had never met".
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Post by Easton on Aug 18, 2021 19:31:34 GMT -5
Same reason in "Blue Bloods" that Henry Reagan and his wife never told their only child Frances (Frank) that he had an older sibling that died in infancy. Henry told Frank "We didn't want you growing up missing someone you had never met". For future reference, 'Frances' with an 'e' is the feminine version. 'Francis' with an 'i' is the masculine version. (It's on my birth certificate. )
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Post by dayton3 on Aug 20, 2021 13:51:34 GMT -5
I don’t think they intended to keep it a secret. As John explained to Jim Bob, he was trying to protect Olivia by not talking about it, and as time went on, it just got easier to not talk about it. It does bother me that there was no mention of where the baby was buried. The Walton family would have certainly had a proper burial for their child and would have kept his grave decorated with flowers. The Walton family cemetery is on Walton's Mountain. Perhaps they buried the baby in a cemetery maintained by Olivia's family.
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Post by carol on Aug 20, 2021 14:48:38 GMT -5
One thing that seems a bit of a plot hole about the story of JimBob's twin is where did they bury the baby? It seems odd that they would bury their child somewhere else, but if the grave was in their family plot, wouldn't the other children wonder whose grave it was. Unlike the other siblings, Jim Bob and his twin were born in the hospital. It wasn't unusual back then when a baby was stillborn in a hospital that the parents never saw the dead baby and the hospital took care of the burial or disposal. Olivia wouldn't have been in any condition to go through a funeral having just delivered two babies prematurely so John and Olivia probably allowed the hospital to do it.
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Post by AuntieEm on Aug 20, 2021 15:32:59 GMT -5
Yes I was going to post something similar. My maternal Grandmother gave birth to a daughter at home in 1923. The midwife made what my Grandmother said was a half hearted attempt to get the baby to take her first breath. So she was reported as “stillborn.” My Mom was very upset by that and tried to find out what happened to her one year older sister and found out that yes, some authority took the baby -Mom never found out where or even if, she was buried somewhere, :-(
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Post by sdw on Aug 21, 2021 13:48:28 GMT -5
My Mom gave birth to a stillborn and premature baby boy in 1961,he was buried in a cemetery.
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