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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 18:59:58 GMT -5
The thread about breaking Livy's neck reminded me to post some of the times I thought the walton guys were not showing women respect.
The calf. When Livy wants JB to go get the calf back with money from a quilt Livy made. Grandpa said something about "You sure about that, girl?" I thought that was a little juvenile.
The episode from the first season when JB and Marcia Wolery are talking about heady wine. She asks JB about kissing and he says something about kissing her and she says "only if I say you can." and JB kisses her with male entitlement.
The Collapse when Jason gets in a fight for Betty or Bet. He says something about her being just right when her mouth is closed.
I thought these were kind of crappy.
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Post by tommyc on Oct 10, 2020 21:43:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I always thought John Boy was a bit creepy in his advances to women.
Also got the willies with some of the single-episode men that came into Erin and Mary Ellen's lives.
Curt seemed a bit chauvinistic toward Mary Ellen now and then.
Not sure if this fits, but I also was annoyed with Grandma and Grandpa in the one episode when Olivia was filling in as a teacher. Can't remember the episode or the exact situation but it had something to do with Olivia's choice in teaching style or treatment of her own children while in class.
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Post by nedandres on Oct 10, 2020 23:18:50 GMT -5
It was definitely a different era, and, although in retrospect we may not agree with it, it's one thing that today's political correctness and cultural sensitivity cannot change. One could say the same thing about the treatment of women in ancient history and literature and even the Bible in some places. The only thing we can do now is lead by example towards the proper treatment of women and all people today.
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Post by Easton on Oct 11, 2020 8:01:24 GMT -5
^ I agree wholeheartedly. Even when I was a kid in the 1950s, a woman's place was 'in the kitchen'. There was even more emphasis on those sentiments back in the Walton era: keep 'em barefoot and pregnant. That was made very clear in the 'rape' episode when Olivia talked to the sheriff.
It still exists today and one particularly distressing form: spousal abuse. It occurs occasionally with men on the receiving end, but it is prominently the males imposing upon their spouse or partner, "I Own You!" Lutie Bascomb was the Walton counterpart except his 'ownership' extended beyond his daughter to Rosemary Hunter as well. I expect he treated all females the same way.
On a personal note, I've mentioned in the forum that, like the Waltons, we were a family of 7 kids (5 boys, 2 girls). Dad worked to support all of us. Mom stayed home to take care of us. When my younger sister became old enough to go to school, I was more-or-less put in charge of her. Mom decided she wanted to go to work. I can remember the discussions and arguments with Dad refusing to let her get a job. He finally relented when she packed some suitcases for herself and me and my sister and was ready to walk out. She got a job in a factory that made valves and worked there for many years.
In the early days of her employment, I took care of my sister in the mornings, taking her to and from school, and at home in the afternoon until Mom got off work.
Very few men on the mountain (including the Waltons) disrespected women with the exception of men like Lutie and Son Slater. It was just the way things were in those days. To change it historically would be like transporting slaves in ships with private cabins and room service. |
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Post by goodnight on Oct 11, 2020 9:49:59 GMT -5
And look at the way Ben acted when he and Cindy first got married.
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Post by JessicaGirlSpy on Oct 11, 2020 13:24:34 GMT -5
At my church and my parents believe woman shouldn't be pastors. It discourages me because I feel I have a calling to be a minister.
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Post by Easton on Oct 11, 2020 18:13:29 GMT -5
^ Don't listen to them. There are a lot of female clergy and they're being more accepted all the time.
Have you ever seen The Vicar of Dibley? Gerry (Dawn French) made no secret of 'having the hots' for actor Sean Bean.
It an hilarious British comedy filled with delicious characters:
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Post by jason88cubss on Oct 11, 2020 19:50:34 GMT -5
It was a different time, in fact I remember in one episode Olivia said somethign along the lines of "Men do work outside of the house, women do work inside the house"
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Post by mothergoose on Oct 11, 2020 20:29:25 GMT -5
The “break your neck” line was from The Rebellion. Very, very uncharacteristic of John to behave like that. He also had this cold look on his face. Bad John!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 20:41:37 GMT -5
It was a different time, in fact I remember in one episode Olivia said somethign along the lines of "Men do work outside of the house, women do work inside the house" I have heard it said "men take care of the world and we women take care of the men." |
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Post by jason88cubss on Oct 11, 2020 20:56:45 GMT -5
The time Olivia went looking for Ben after he left home to go work and John came in and dinner wasn't reayd and he was screaming
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 21:19:51 GMT -5
The time Olivia went looking for Ben after he left home to go work and John came in and dinner wasn't reayd and he was screaming That brings up a good point. Did Livy or grandma ever go out and scream at the men that they were not making enough money? Its not like Livy and grandma were out playing pool or other relaxing things. Why should John have the right to scream and stomp about his din din not being ready? |
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Post by jason88cubss on Oct 12, 2020 11:27:40 GMT -5
I mean I get your point but part of their job was to have dinner ready.
That's just how it was back then
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Post by rickking on Oct 12, 2020 13:50:18 GMT -5
Times were different then. It's not really fair to judge the behavior of folks in another era by the standards we have today.
Would you rather have a realistic depiction of how things actually were in the 1930s, or have them behaving in a manner that is socially acceptable today?
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Post by JessicaGirlSpy on Oct 12, 2020 17:16:26 GMT -5
^ Don't listen to them. There are a lot of female clergy and they're being more accepted all the time.
Have you ever seen The Vicar of Dibley? Gerry (Dawn French) made no secret of 'having the hots' for actor Sean Bean.
It an hilarious British comedy filled with delicious characters:
I have watched a couple of Episodes of The Vicar of Dibley. I love the show. I'm probably more like Alice than Geraldine. |
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