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Post by JeriJet on Feb 18, 2019 11:26:18 GMT -5
My mom and dad grew up in the Canadian prairies where temperatures get to -30f or colder. A warm day was -10f Dad had coal and wood heat. Mom, I believe just wood and she talked about sleeping upstairs with lots of blankets and getting dressed over the vent where heat came through from the wood cookstove in the kitchen. She and her 3 sisters shared a room but 2 to a bed. I see in the Waltons they all had there own beds which in reality was not common. Here in the mountains we heat with wood and although not as cold here heat rises up the stairs and we are very cozy. That house sure had large bedrooms -- two with three beds each !! Yes, not common... My Dad used to hitch-hike over 26 miles from Alfred University to Mom's family home (once, minus 38 degrees) -- that's when he bought his first car !! |
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Post by cinlou on Feb 18, 2019 12:03:23 GMT -5
The real Hamner house is much smaller than the Walton’s house. They couldn’t fit individual beds in the rooms so they had to have shared beds. Also Earl did not have his own room. The boys were in one room and the girls in another.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 17:09:02 GMT -5
Joe-Zeb: Wonderful stories !! (I obviously had no idea). So, I guess it surprises me even more that the overlooked details bother you so much...  I love theatre-in-the-round... except that once I had a first-row aisle seat at an off-Bway "The Fantasticks" and got hit in the head!! BTW, Will Geer was in that production! I guess part of it's in my blood, mom was for many years in a concert party, which toured the the pubs and clubs around the area. Sometimes they would do an occasional charity show, which meant I would get to see the show.. I remember one show they did where I actually went and sat on the stage. Mom saw me and quickly escorted me back to my seat. I used to have a glove puppet called Sooty. One day a boy in class brought his ventriloquist's dummy which I coveted and never got one myself. Anyway, I used Sooty instead. Over in the piano stool was a book with some music and a ventriloquist sketch in it. The dummy was a school boy and the ventriloquist the teacher. I can only remember the following. Teacher: How dare you tell your mother I'm an idiot, I may be stupid, but I'm not an idiot. You'd have loved mom, when she was 14 she and aunt Doris left home to find work in a town in the county of Yorkshire. There they stayed at the home of Mr and Mrs Turnbull and their son George Jr.. It was while Mom was down there aunt Doris introduced her to the man who would become my father. Mrs Turnbull soon became aunt Mary and Mr Turnbull she called uncle George. Now here's the Walton connection, mom would tell me some wonderful stories of her life in Yorkshire, she even said she'd write about her life down there, but she never got around to it. I guess she was very much like John-Boy. Although they didn't live on a farm aunt Mary kept goats on an allotment. Whenever I saw one on TV, I would ask mom if she could tell me its breed. She could have easily told me what breed Myrtle is. The one thing they were never short of was milk. The last time I saw aunt Mary was when dad and I went down for his father's funeral when I was 10. She made me some real lemonade. Mom thought a lot about aunt Mary and often talked about her. She would have gotten on well with Maud Gormly. I never knew goats had slanted eyes. |
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Post by goodnight on Feb 18, 2019 19:16:13 GMT -5
The house that my grandmother grew up in during the 20's and 30's (it was not far from Hinton, WV in a little place called Madam's Creek) had a wood burning cook stove in the kitchen and a coal burning stove in the living room. The pipe of the coal burning stove ran up through the ceiling to the bedroom above. I'm not sure but I think that pipe must have given off a little heat to the upstairs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 21:02:16 GMT -5
Joe-Zeb: Wonderful stories !! (I obviously had no idea). So, I guess it surprises me even more that the overlooked details bother you so much... They did in You Only Live Twice as I shall now illustrate. Watch this scene from the film. As you're watching pay attention to what Bond sees on the TV screen in the car. Also keep an eye on the wide angle shots involving the helicopter, look at the sky, there is only one helicopter in the sky when there should be two, you'll see why below. When the girl asks Tiger to arrange the usual reception, did you notice how quick the helicopter turned up the moment she asked for it. How convenient it was that, that particular helicopter was in the area at the time. Here's a shot of the helicopter with Tokyo in the background. In the next shot we see the same scene, this time on the TV screen in the car. What I would like to know is, where is the camera showing what Bond is looking at on the TV screen. You could say it's in another helicopter, but where is it, it was nowhere to be seen in the wide angle shots. Look at the quality of the picture on the TV screen, not bad considering there is no antenna on the car to receive the pictures from the transmitter yet the color and picture remains constant. Rear projection error. From this point on keep an eye on the the girl driving the car, when she comes to a bend in the road she never moves the steering wheel.  There are similar errors like that in the film particularly where we see the SPECTRE rocket capturing the space capsules. In the control room we see them watching the capture on black and white TV screens. Yet where was the camera taking those pictures.
Next to On Her Majesty' Service, that's got to be the worst Bond film. I should know when I was reading my degree in Communication Studies I wrote an essay on, "The James Bond formula is inflexible discuss." I also wrote another essay where I discussed race, society and gender in two films. One of these was Brief Encounter the other Goldfinger. |
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Post by bucky on Feb 19, 2019 10:01:33 GMT -5
The house that my grandmother grew up in during the 20's and 30's (it was not far from Hinton, WV in a little place called Madam's Creek) had a wood burning cook stove in the kitchen and a coal burning stove in the living room. The pipe of the coal burning stove ran up through the ceiling to the bedroom above. I'm not sure but I think that pipe must have given off a little heat to the upstairs. Just a note to add to this; My family home (Canada) had 'chimney closets' in two of the bedrooms that were on opposite sides of the house, one coming from the living room stove and one from the kitchen stove. The doors of these were opened when the pipes were hot and closed when they were not. The pipe was protected on three sides against being knocked. I'm not sure how common these were since I was rarely upstairs in other people's farmhouses - perhaps someone else recalls them. Most old houses still have the remnants of chimney holes in the ceilings and ceiling grates. Follow the chimney holes and you know where the stoves were placed and how many there might have been. I think a 'real' farmhouse the size of the Walton's would have had a parlour stove somewhere in the downstairs living area in addition to the cook stove and fireplace. And according to my mother, it was common to have a pot-bellied stove in the central hallway of each of the upper floors. One of the things that's missing from the show is the depiction of filling the stoves with wood or coal (it is Virginia  ) in the cold weather. Of course the latter also seemed to be non-existent most of the time. Kudos for the thread topic. |
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Post by goodnight on Feb 19, 2019 13:33:28 GMT -5
The house that my grandmother grew up in during the 20's and 30's (it was not far from Hinton, WV in a little place called Madam's Creek) had a wood burning cook stove in the kitchen and a coal burning stove in the living room. The pipe of the coal burning stove ran up through the ceiling to the bedroom above. I'm not sure but I think that pipe must have given off a little heat to the upstairs. Just a note to add to this; My family home (Canada) had 'chimney closets' in two of the bedrooms that were on opposite sides of the house, one coming from the living room stove and one from the kitchen stove. The doors of these were opened when the pipes were hot and closed when they were not. The pipe was protected on three sides against being knocked. I'm not sure how common these were since I was rarely upstairs in other people's farmhouses - perhaps someone else recalls them. Most old houses still have the remnants of chimney holes in the ceilings and ceiling grates. Follow the chimney holes and you know where the stoves were placed and how many there might have been. I think a 'real' farmhouse the size of the Walton's would have had a parlour stove somewhere in the downstairs living area in addition to the cook stove and fireplace. And according to my mother, it was common to have a pot-bellied stove in the central hallway of each of the upper floors. One of the things that's missing from the show is the depiction of filling the stoves with wood or coal (it is Virginia ) in the cold weather. Of course the latter also seemed to be non-existent most of the time. Kudos for the thread topic. I've never heard of these chimney closets, that's very interesting. I suppose the coal burning stove I spoke of would have been called a parlour stove or a pot-bellied stove. Something I've heard about older houses like that are that many of them had what was called a summer kitchen. Where the cook stove would be moved in the hotter months so the the cook stove didn't make the house so hot. I suppose the stove pipe to the summer kitchen would be routed directly outside and not into the main chimney. Now the Walton house didn't have that. But didn't they have an enclosed back porch? That could certainly have served as one. A show that a summer kitchen was mentioned was in Road to Avonlea series, set in the early 1900's. I know what you mean about the cold weather seeming to be non-existent. It was filmed in California and the only time they attempted to make it look like winter were the Christmas episodes. In the episode The Best Christmas Ever, where Elizabeth is breaking ice of the water in the cow's water trough. It looks like pieces of Styrofoam rather than ice. |
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Post by JeriJet on Feb 19, 2019 14:21:05 GMT -5
However, that "styrofoam" is exactly what ice looks like under those circumstances -- remember it well from the troughs at my grandmother's farm in the wintertime....
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Post by bucky on Feb 19, 2019 17:22:20 GMT -5
[/quote] Something I've heard about older houses like that are that many of them had what was called a summer kitchen. Where the cook stove would be moved in the hotter months so the the cook stove didn't make the house so hot. I suppose the stove pipe to the summer kitchen would be routed directly outside and not into the main chimney. Now the Walton house didn't have that. But didn't they have an enclosed back porch? That could certainly have served as one. A show that a summer kitchen was mentioned was in Road to Avonlea series, set in the early 1900's.[/quote]
Yes, we also had a large attached summer kitchen which I think had a second cook stove in it, probably an older model. It had its own chimney. I was too young to remember when it was actually used as a kitchen, but I certainly remember it.
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Post by carol on Feb 19, 2019 22:31:57 GMT -5
They could have used bed warmers at night. "A bed warmer was a common household item in countries with cold winters, It consisted of a metal container, usually fitted with a handle and shaped somewhat like a modern frying pan, with a solid or finely perforated lid. The pan would be filled with river stones or coals preheated from the fireplace and placed under the covers of a bed, to warm it up and/or dry it out before use" Hot water bottles could also be used as bed warmers. People also heated large stones or bricks in the fire and wrapped them in cloths and used them for bed warmers.  |
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Post by JeriJet on Feb 19, 2019 23:39:48 GMT -5
The best, of course, is not being alone in bed !!
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Post by carol on Feb 20, 2019 0:20:48 GMT -5
The best, of course, is not being alone in bed !! Livvy and John could keep each other warm. |
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Post by Johnny on Feb 20, 2019 16:50:14 GMT -5
My mom and dad grew up in the Canadian prairies where temperatures get to -30f or colder. A warm day was -10f Dad had coal and wood heat. Mom, I believe just wood and she talked about sleeping upstairs with lots of blankets and getting dressed over the vent where heat came through from the wood cook stove in the kitchen. She and her 3 sisters shared a room but 2 to a bed. I see in the Waltons they all had there own beds which in reality was not common. Here in the mountains we heat with wood and although not as cold here heat rises up the stairs and we are very cozy. It would be helpful for the Waltons to keep their bedroom doors open on cold winter nights, to take advantage of the heat rising up the stairs from their fireplace. I don't recall ever seeing their doors left open at night. My siblings & I left our doors open. . |
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Post by JeriJet on Feb 20, 2019 18:02:39 GMT -5
My mom and dad grew up in the Canadian prairies where temperatures get to -30f or colder. A warm day was -10f Dad had coal and wood heat. Mom, I believe just wood and she talked about sleeping upstairs with lots of blankets and getting dressed over the vent where heat came through from the wood cook stove in the kitchen. She and her 3 sisters shared a room but 2 to a bed. I see in the Waltons they all had there own beds which in reality was not common. Here in the mountains we heat with wood and although not as cold here heat rises up the stairs and we are very cozy. It would be helpful for the Waltons to keep their bedroom doors open on cold winter nights, to take advantage of the heat rising up the stairs from their fireplace. I don't recall ever seeing their doors left open at night. My siblings & I left our doors open. . Agreed -- we always had our bedroom doors open at night.... had never before thought of it, but perhaps it was in fact in order to let heat in.... It did strike me as odd that the Waltons always seemed to keep all bedroom doors closed.... |
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Post by RebeccaLee on Feb 20, 2019 19:31:18 GMT -5
During the winter we often keep the bedroom door mostly closed at night as we like to have cooler room to sleep. In the summer it is left open to get the cross breezes to cool down as we don't have ac.
I also noted a sliding lock on the girls room. Really! Never would have been allowed in my house growing up.
As Johnboy's room was often the guest room I can see that one having a lock. Didn't see one on the parents room...
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