lynda
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Post by lynda on Jan 27, 2013 0:45:58 GMT -5
One does not crochet lace.... one tats !!
Sounds a bit rude !!
Actually one can crochet lace or knit lace and they can tat lace plus they can make bobbin lace, and also hairpin lace and then there's needle lace. I'm sure there are plenty more I just can't think of at this moment.
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Post by JeriJet on Jan 27, 2013 8:43:48 GMT -5
One does not crochet lace.... one tats !! Sounds a bit rude !! Actually one can crochet lace or knit lace and they can tat lace plus they can make bobbin lace, and also hairpin lace and then there's needle lace. I'm sure there are plenty more I just can't think of at this moment. Originally, lace was only tatted. Traditionalists will always think of lace that way. Other methods were developed much later on..... I was expressing my conservatism!!! And evidencing my age. You need to know me better, to understand my sense of humor and huge appetite for knowledge, before you claim justification in making a personal attack.....
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Post by lynda on Jan 28, 2013 0:58:11 GMT -5
I’m so glad you have such a high respect and appetite for knowledge, I have always been interested in arts since a small child and by the time I was in high school I was designing and selling clothes I made to students, after I finished school I went on to study Fashion Design and worked for a well known fashion house, during my training one of my units was on the History of Fashion, I found the subject fascinating and after graduation I went on to study Art History with a major in the Historical Studies in Fashion, I have studied Oriental, European, Renaissance, Revolutionary, Indigenous, Early 20th Century and Modern. I have been the Textile Curator for many museums around the world sorting out the many huge undocumented collections, I have been a consultant to the costume departments for Period Drama Films, I have helped put together and catalogue Exhibitions, I have also spent many years touring and lecturing.
The lace doily shown in this thread is not cro-tat lace it is Irish Crochet Lace although made in many countries in Europe it is mostly known as Irish as it was made by Irish women during the 1820’s Irish famine to earn money and the name has stuck. The piece shown was made in the Umbria Region in Central Italy in a place called Isola Maggiore. It is famous for its Irish Lace Traditions.
Lace has been made using many methods over the centuries but Tatting only came to be during the Reign of Queen Victoria around the 1850’s, historical proof of this is because it has never been found in any art painting predating her reign, it also has never been mentioned in any Fashion books predating her reign. Tatting went out of style in the 1920’s at the start of the Great Depression; it briefly became popular in the late sixties and early seventies. It is still being made by members of lace guilds it’s use is more decorative than fashion.
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Post by Brenda on Jan 28, 2013 9:50:11 GMT -5
Lynda,
Thank you for that great information. I don't know how they made lace doiles in other parts of the country, but in Appalachia, they were crocheted. I remember watching my grandmother use a small metal crochet hook to make those doilies when I was a little girl.
Brenda
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Post by JeriJet on Jan 28, 2013 12:35:36 GMT -5
Thank you, lynda, for all the great info. Happy to afford you the opportunity to lay out your splendid credentials.
My grandmother grew up and learned her tatting during Victorian times. I can only believe that she assumed tatting was the original, pure form of making lace. Guess not. However, I can easily forgive her that assumption.
When I posted "one does not crochet lace, one tats" it was simply whimsy, intended to generate some interesting conversation on a new subject. It was not phony outrage, which is all too common these days.
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Post by Forum Administrator on Jan 28, 2013 16:51:10 GMT -5
When I posted "one does not crochet lace, one tats" it was a simply whimsy, intended to generate some interesting conversation on a new subject. It was not phony outrage, which is all too common these days. You certainly accomplished your goal, Jerijet. I've learned more about lace than I ever wanted to know. Brenda
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Post by ForeverWaltons on Jan 28, 2013 18:55:58 GMT -5
When I posted "one does not crochet lace, one tats" it was a simply whimsy, intended to generate some interesting conversation on a new subject. It was not phony outrage, which is all too common these days. You certainly accomplished your goal, Jerijet. I've learned more about lace than I ever wanted to know. Brenda That made me laugh, Brenda! ;D
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Post by JeriJet on Jan 28, 2013 20:48:23 GMT -5
When I posted "one does not crochet lace, one tats" it was a simply whimsy, intended to generate some interesting conversation on a new subject. It was not phony outrage, which is all too common these days. You certainly accomplished your goal, Jerijet. I've learned more about lace than I ever wanted to know. Brenda Yeah, who'da thunk..... I had hoped to hear more from folks about memories of old family stuff, different types of lace, favorite doilies, collars, ANTIMACASSARS !!!
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Post by River on Jan 28, 2013 22:50:11 GMT -5
Such talent those women had back then...not only the lace, but the intricate designs of the dresses.
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Post by happyathome on Jan 28, 2013 23:02:59 GMT -5
I always thought that Corabeth's dresses were elegant
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Post by ForeverWaltons on Feb 3, 2013 21:32:34 GMT -5
There is a "living" museum about 35 to 40 minutes from where I live. They have taken old cabins, houses, barns, churches, etc...and put them back together there. They have people in period dress & they demonstrate blacksmithing, open hearth cooking, candlemaking, churning to make butter, shearing sheep, turning wool into thread by using a spinning wheel, tatting, etc... My kids were really interested in the tatting. I took a few pictures of the ladies doing it. I will have my husband post them hopefully next weekend. I am going to be off the forum until late next Friday night (2/1) or Saturday (2/2) so I will not have the time to show him what pictures I want posted until then. Here are the pictures that I took of the woman tatting.......
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Post by JeriJet on Feb 4, 2013 7:11:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the pix, forever.... maybe those show how/why I always thought tatting was considered to be a "finer" lace.... its construction is quite different..... takes extremely nimble fingers and much patience !! Beautiful....
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Post by kazk on Feb 4, 2013 17:13:27 GMT -5
That lace work is gorgeous. Thanks for sharing the pic.
Lynda what fascinating studies and work you have done. I love textiles and often go to different exhibitions we have out here relating to clothing, quilting and all sorts of other textiles.
Brenda lace was also crocheted out here along with tatting and bobbin lace work. I have doilies that were crocheted by my Grandmother. We also learnt to crochet collars and cuffs to go on dresses when I was in primary school in the mid 60's. it was quite the rage. I longed for a black velvet dress to put them on but my mum always said that black dresses were not for little girls. :-) The cotton we used was not really a thin cotton but had a bit of a sheen to it. Certainly didn't look like the very fine work they used to do.
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Post by sweetheart2012 on Feb 7, 2013 15:05:47 GMT -5
I liked the clothing,Thought it was pretty.Nicer them some of the clothing from LHOTP
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Post by JeriJet on Feb 8, 2013 7:29:20 GMT -5
I liked the clothing,Thought it was pretty.Nicer them some of the clothing from LHOTP Big differene between the 1880's/1890's and the 1930's/1940's.....
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