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Post by Honeybee on Jul 19, 2012 12:42:59 GMT -5
So, I was watching The Birthday, yesterday. When Grandpa, had mild heart attack. Half way end of the show. Elizabeth & Jib Bob had idea, of using the circus tent. turn into bedroom for Grandpa. So, he can enjoy the outdoors. While, their getting it ready. They went back go get grandpa. The doctor comes by. Tells them, it's not good idea. After the doctor left. They did not listen to him. Grandma, knows his heart better than the doctor.
He was very much happier being outside, than inside. He got better.
In the episode of The Easter. They didn't listen to Dr. Vance. When he said, that the hot towel massage for Olivia's legs. Her legs heal. She could walk again.
Who else was ill? The doctor told them, it wasn't good idea. But, didn't listen to the doctor.
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Post by carol on Jul 19, 2012 15:31:10 GMT -5
Mrs McKenzie in The Journey was told by the doctor and that she shouldn't go to the seashore because her heart is failing. John Boy ignored the doctor's advice and took her there. She died but she died happy.
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Post by lyn on Jul 19, 2012 18:19:16 GMT -5
In Mrs McKenzie's case I'd say dying happy is a whole lot better than being living cautiously
When my husband was dying we had an understanding - if it made him happy, we did it! The doctors only gave him four months to live but in the end we had him with us for almost two years. And the memories created during that time are priceless. We went for walks, played cards, hubby and I read books out loud to each other, visited with the kids and grandkids, went to a lot of family get togethers...we even went on a vacation to my parents in the east. (Whenever my parents and Allan got together it was like a litter of kittens getting into mischief lol)
Doctors don't always know what's best - if we followed their advice we wouldn't have had half of the memories we have now
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Post by carol on Jul 19, 2012 20:33:37 GMT -5
I agree, enjoy what time you have left. Why sit around and wait to die?
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Post by mercantile on Jul 20, 2012 0:12:43 GMT -5
In Mrs McKenzie's case I'd say dying happy is a whole lot better than being living cautiously When my husband was dying we had an understanding - if it made him happy, we did it! The doctors only gave him four months to live but in the end we had him with us for almost two years. And the memories created during that time are priceless. We went for walks, played cards, hubby and I read books out loud to each other, visited with the kids and grandkids, went to a lot of family get togethers...we even went on a vacation to my parents in the east. (Whenever my parents and Allan got together it was like a litter of kittens getting into mischief lol) Doctors don't always know what's best - if we followed their advice we wouldn't have had half of the memories we have now Absolutely!  |
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Post by tracilynn on Jul 20, 2012 0:17:39 GMT -5
lyn, What a blessing you were able to share those precious moments with your husband. I was not that fortunate. But with my parents I let them do and eat whatever they wanted. After all its that persons life so who are we to say or even the Dr.
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Post by glenda1 on Jul 20, 2012 10:03:24 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to humor the sick and ailing , as it's better to grant them true comfort , then it is to ignore their plea's of happiness.
Doctor's only know what they learned in medical school. Sometimes the heart and mind of a dying individual's is smarter then any school could teach a person.
And if your truely dying , grant them the pleasure they seek. You'll be rewarded by their smile.
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Post by Heather on Jul 20, 2012 11:37:15 GMT -5
lyn, ohmygosh I'm so sorry for your loss.
I agree - if someone is running out of time they may as well go out swingin'.
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Post by wmfan/waltonsportwriter on Jul 20, 2012 11:42:35 GMT -5
Sometimes the heart and mind is stronger than any doctors advice. That doesn't mean we should ignore the advice and diagnosis of the doctor but some people and loved ones know what they can do with their spirit. Finally RIP to all the victims and families of the terrible Batman Dark Knight movie shooting at midnight last night in Aurora, Colorado. We will never forget you. Best wishes waltonsportwriter  |
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Post by mercantile on Jul 21, 2012 13:22:26 GMT -5
Yes, indeed.
Advice from a general practitioner can be either warranted, or ignored. In the mainstream it is backed up by physical evidence alone. The facts tend to be dealt with according to an individual/s outlook on life.
On the whole we all act accordingly; you make the best of the news. Sometimes there is no time to act; correspondingly we choose what is best. I lost a son at eighteen months to an irreversible syndrome. The prognosis was bad from the start, but you can be sure that the time we were given was richly spent.
Recent events in Colorado seem to remove that choice from those involved, as it does from us, the casual observer.
Advice can be a bitter pill, before, or after. God bless all of those affected.
mercantile
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Post by dfnmeows44 on Jul 22, 2012 16:55:45 GMT -5
You need to use some discretion but it depends on the person and the circumstances
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Post by daniela on Jul 22, 2012 17:18:32 GMT -5
Yes, indeed. Advice from a general practitioner can be either warranted, or ignored. In the mainstream it is backed up by physical evidence alone. The facts tend to be dealt with according to an individual/s outlook on life. On the whole we all act accordingly; you make the best of the news. Sometimes there is no time to act; correspondingly we choose what is best. I lost a son at eighteen months to an irreversible syndrome. The prognosis was bad from the start, but you can be sure that the time we were given was richly spent. Recent events in Colorado seem to remove that choice from those involved, as it does from us, the casual observer. Advice can be a bitter pill, before, or after. God bless all of those affected. mercantile Mercantile, I can't imagine how awful your loss was in losing your son. I am sorry to hear that. I hope that he didn't suffer. I guess it's true what people say, and that is, God has a plan for everyone. It's like that young woman who narrowly escaped getting shot in Toronto, and a month later gets killed by another gunman in Colorado. I guess people need to live life to the fullest, because you never know when your time is up. |
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Post by JeriJet on Jul 22, 2012 18:03:13 GMT -5
A couple of things have come to "bug" me about the medical profession in recent years. First, the way meds are prescribed so easily, only later to be determined to have devastating side effects. The latest reports on statins are scary and yet people have been popping them for years now, at their doctors' advice.... many examples of this....
A big problem is the fact that docs have to scoot patients in and out of their offices every ten minutes in order to make the money to pay for malpractice insurance..... thanks to the lawyers getting far too huge settlements for people.....
And, the other thing I've noticed is the way something becomes an "in" diagnosis..... in the 70's it was mono ... the 80's brought the yuppy sleeping sickness ... the 90's fibromyalgia became the frequent diagnosis ... and now a zillion doctors are diagnosing various thyroid problems..... I simply don't trust 'em anymore. I feel like we're raising a citizenry of hypochondriacs who leap to the newest thing that comes along and the doctors accommodate them!!
Sorry. I know I'm exaggerating and over-reacting. But, my response does result from some experience.....
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Post by goldenslumbers on Jul 22, 2012 18:43:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry, mercantile. That's rough.
I truly believe that loved ones who have passed are saving a spot for us up above. The night my sister-in-law died of cancer, I had a dream that woke me at about 3:30 a.m. In it, she was sitting on a bench in a grassy, sunny place assuring me that she was saving a spot for me. I wrote it all down, and still have what I wrote. It was all so vivid.
Interestingly, it wasn't until the following morning that I found out she had died. She died about 5 hours prior to my having that dream.
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Post by glenda1 on Jul 23, 2012 9:00:53 GMT -5
Doctor's Tend to Rx. Anti-Depressant's for people when they can't find the true cause of their health ailment , it's if they do that to "shut them up".
My cousin is a medical examiner and she told me those pill's are over prescribed by doctor's that don't want to deal with patient's that come in regularly and have complaints all the time that this aches , that hurt's , I have a headache type situation.
Yes , Anti D's are good for some people with true depression , they are linked to Suicide on a regular basis.
Doctor's only know what they learned from a School Book. It's The Medical Examiner's , who also learned from a book , with hand's On knowledge That See's The True Scope Of Illness , as they are the one's to get a first hand look into a person's body.
A doctor can say > Your Pain is all in your head , here take Prozac and you'll feel better.
It's The Medical Examiner That Can See That Person's body was Full Of Cancer.
I Lost my Brother to Agent Orange Poisoning. When He had his Autopsy , All his entire Organ's were literally drenched in Agent Orange.
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