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Post by married2oldfool on Feb 23, 2014 4:02:23 GMT -5
I just finished watching all the specials of the Waltons and the question that was posted about how did John use the record player up at the gazebo, on his and Olivia's anniversary---well, I noticed it had a crank on the side of it although it didn't show him actually cranking it; so no electricity needed. As far as Mary Ellen not being able to have more children, it was stated a few times that if she got pregnant, it would be a risk to herself and the baby because of the scar left on her uterus from where the doctor had to repair the tear. He didn't think that scar area would be able to expand as the baby grew. Perhaps she decided to take the chance to have more children; either that or she adopted. The end of the last special ended with the Drew/Elizabeth engagement. I, for one, did not like the 2nd Ashley Longworth, Jr. who appeared on the special for Erin's wedding. Johnathan Frakes was a much better actor and much better looking They did try to dress a little more for the time period on the specials--such as the 60's hairdos and clothing. I thought the way they were dressing at the end of the series was definitely the 70s when it should've been the late 40s. I sometimes think of the "what ifs". Such as, what if Mary Ellen went through with her marriage to Dr. David Spencer, or what if Erin married Rev. Hank Buchanan, or John-Boy married Daisey Garner. Wow, so many possibilities, so many shows.
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Post by goodnight on Feb 23, 2014 8:56:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this. But at one time, wasn't it considered risky for a woman to get pregnant again after a cesarian section. I'm talking about like the 30's or 40's.* Now, a C-section incision and scar would be less ragged and might leave less scar tissue than what happened to Mary Ellen, but still.
*A relative of mine was born in 1932. Her mother had suffered from polio some years before, she could walk but had to wear a special shoe that had been built up. When she went into labor, she could not have a natural delivery and it was connected to her having had polio. They did a C-section on her and removed her uterus altogether.
I have heard that sometimes women are told to have no more than 3 if they have to have a C-section for each birth.
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Post by navywife on Feb 23, 2014 10:02:49 GMT -5
I have the specials as a part of the DVD collection but I rarely watch them. I prefer the television show, especially the early years. I second what some of the others said in earlier posts - I did not care for John Boy's wife, Janet. Not a good match, in my opinion. Perhaps one of the specials should have revolved around John Boy reunited with one of his old flames (gee...we have many to choose from). They could have incorporated flashbacks from the television show and tied it together nicely, especially if the audience was willing to overlook some discrepancy in the timing (the show jumped from 30s/40s to 60s (in the movies) rather quickly). I would rather overlook a discrepancy in the timing versus spouses and children disappearing and/or dying. I read somewhere on here that Earl Hamner had pitched an idea for a new series...kind of a modern twist on The Waltons. Was it called "Cornerstone"? Something about a modern day man in the suburbs/city takes his family back to the country, his family's old land/farm where he was raised and tries to start anew. He rebuilds after finding the cornerstone of his family's old farm house (or something like that). Too bad no one bought into the idea. It would be interesting if someone took that idea but kept it running in the Walton's vein...had one of the grandchildren (or great-grandchildren) of John & Olivia go back and find the old farm house...covered in ivy, roof falling in...and they rebuild...start the old mill...grow crops on the old land. I do not know if they could make a series out of it...but it would make for a nice movie. The surviving actors could make cameo appearances. And they could pay tribute to those who have already gone...tie in old clips, have voice overs, and maybe at the end hang a portrait of Daddy (Ralph Waite) over the rebuilt fireplace with the beloved "Good night" voices at the end. Well, that's my Hollywood idea for this morning.
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Post by patriciaanne on Feb 23, 2014 10:12:45 GMT -5
I have the specials as a part of the DVD collection but I rarely watch them. I prefer the television show, especially the early years. I second what some of the others said in earlier posts - I did not care for John Boy's wife, Janet. Not a good match, in my opinion. Perhaps one of the specials should have revolved around John Boy reunited with one of his old flames (gee...we have many to choose from). They could have incorporated flashbacks from the television show and tied it together nicely, especially if the audience was willing to overlook some discrepancy in the timing (the show jumped from 30s/40s to 60s (in the movies) rather quickly). I would rather overlook a discrepancy in the timing versus spouses and children disappearing and/or dying. I read somewhere on here that Earl Hamner had pitched an idea for a new series...kind of a modern twist on The Waltons. Was it called "Cornerstone"? Something about a modern day man in the suburbs/city takes his family back to the country, his family's old land/farm where he was raised and tries to start anew. He rebuilds after finding the cornerstone of his family's old farm house (or something like that). Too bad no one bought into the idea. It would be interesting if someone took that idea but kept it running in the Walton's vein...had one of the grandchildren (or great-grandchildren) of John & Olivia go back and find the old farm house...covered in ivy, roof falling in...and they rebuild...start the old mill...grow crops on the old land. I do not know if they could make a series out of it...but it would make for a nice movie. The surviving actors could make cameo appearances. And they could pay tribute to those who have already gone...tie in old clips, have voice overs, and maybe at the end hang a portrait of Daddy (Ralph Waite) over the rebuilt fireplace with the beloved "Good night" voices at the end. Well, that's my Hollywood idea for this morning. I love your idea!!!!!
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Post by goodnight on Feb 23, 2014 13:21:54 GMT -5
I love that idea also.
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Post by coriscapnskip on Feb 23, 2014 18:05:43 GMT -5
I have heard that sometimes women are told to have no more than 3 if they have to have a C-section for each birth. I'm pretty sure I heard that too and that Ethel Kennedy had five of them.
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Post by coriscapnskip on Feb 23, 2014 18:09:06 GMT -5
I don't believe the Waltons would have let the old place fall apart but I'd like to see some descendants build where Daddy kept starting the new house, on the original Walton homestead, or both.
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Post by lonelysingle1 on Jan 29, 2020 9:05:05 GMT -5
The mention that Erin and Paul got divorced flies in the face of Earl Hamner's own comments at the conclusion of A Walton Wedding. At that time he said that Erin and Paul were still as close as they were then---The answer is that the scriptwriters of the specials never watched the episodes nor the prior specials but included suppositions on their own. Virginia did die in either the fall/winter of 1961 or the early spring of 1962 as we recall from the opening of A Walton Thanksgiving(1963) when Cindy says 'It's been almost two years,,,"However John Curtis was written out of the specials because of budget limitations . We do not know how Mary Ellen got the other two children---perhaps Curt died and that ended the fact she was divorced---actually a desertion by Curt in The Tempest/ Whirlwind so she was able to adopt.. It was never mentioned what John-Boy and Janet named the twins in the Walton Easter Special. And it seemed like that Mary Ellen different children in this episode than the Thanksgiving Reunion.
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Post by nedandres on Jan 29, 2020 9:48:41 GMT -5
As has been discussed previously, many times, the writers of the 90s reunion movies, even though some of them were involved with the original series, took many liberties in the plot line and characters, which has never been nor will ever be resolved. Some of the cast asked the same questions that we do but in vain. We need to look at them for nostalgia's sake and nothing more. Otherwise we will go crazy in the process.
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Post by Sussie of Teckelhut Acres on Jan 29, 2020 12:51:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this. But at one time, wasn't it considered risky for a woman to get pregnant again after a cesarean section. I'm talking about like the 30's or 40's.* Now, a C-section incision and scar would be less ragged and might leave less scar tissue than what happened to Mary Ellen, but still. *A relative of mine was born in 1932. Her mother had suffered from polio some years before, she could walk but had to wear a special shoe that had been built up. When she went into labor, she could not have a natural delivery and it was connected to her having had polio. They did a C-section on her and removed her uterus altogether. I have heard that sometimes women are told to have no more than 3 if they have to have a C-section for each birth. I think its due to belief of once a cesarean , always a cesarean. While it is true that happens to some women, other women have had natural births before or after one born cesarean. Back then ANY type of surgery was risky due to the fact that they did not have the advancements in medical science like we have now. Yes. Having polio as some point in your life can possibly increase your risk of having a natural birth. It can also increase your odds of not carrying a child to full term or even getting pregnant. That is what happened to my mother. She had polio once and was advised by several Doctors not to have children. So she and my dad adopted myself and my brother. Things may be different now as this advice was given to my parents in the 1950's.
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Post by alanankrett1 on Jan 29, 2020 15:34:00 GMT -5
Hi Susie Very touching story !!!! X
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Post by Sussie of Teckelhut Acres on Jan 29, 2020 16:07:56 GMT -5
Hi Susie Very touching story !!!! X Thank you.
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Post by Kyle on Jan 30, 2020 3:16:25 GMT -5
I read somewhere on here that Earl Hamner had pitched an idea for a new series...kind of a modern twist on The Waltons. Was it called "Cornerstone"? Something about a modern day man in the suburbs/city takes his family back to the country, his family's old land/farm where he was raised and tries to start anew. He rebuilds after finding the cornerstone of his family's old farm house (or something like that). Too bad no one bought into the idea. It would be interesting if someone took that idea but kept it running in the Walton's vein...had one of the grandchildren (or great-grandchildren) of John & Olivia go back and find the old farm house...covered in ivy, roof falling in...and they rebuild...start the old mill...grow crops on the old land. I do not know if they could make a series out of it...but it would make for a nice movie. The surviving actors could make cameo appearances. And they could pay tribute to those who have already gone...tie in old clips, have voice overs, and maybe at the end hang a portrait of Daddy (Ralph Waite) over the rebuilt fireplace with the beloved "Good night" voices at the end. Well, that's my Hollywood idea for this morning. Earl’s proposal was called “Foundations”. And the family land was an apple orchard. What’s funny is that this was the same basic premise as “Falcon Crest”, where Chase Gioberti moved his family from the city back to his family’s ancestral vineyard, and fixed up his father’s old house, which was abandoned and falling apart. And Hamner’s “Apple’s Way” was also about a man moving his family from the big city to his hometown, where they operated a grist mill. So Hamner had already done this idea.
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