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Post by vintagekym on Apr 3, 2012 18:31:41 GMT -5
Thanks Scarlett, I remember Mr. Hamner mentioning that name in his interview. But for some reason never placed it as Livy's maiden name.
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Post by Marilyn on Apr 3, 2012 22:31:31 GMT -5
vintagekym, River was answering your question.
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Post by vintagekym on Apr 4, 2012 7:02:10 GMT -5
River I apologize for not paying attention. I didnt see "Daly" at the end. Guess I need to start reading a little closer. Thanks Marilyn for bringing that to my attention.
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Post by goodnight on Apr 4, 2012 7:24:03 GMT -5
I just saw this episode the other day, Livy and Esther were going to a wedding on Livy's side of the family. I think it was her sister's daughter getting married. It was the episode where Verdie was taking care of Erin who had just had her tonsils out. And JohnBoy was teaching Verdie to read.
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Post by River on Apr 4, 2012 8:47:16 GMT -5
No problem Vintagekym. Daly was Olivia's maiden name on the show. Doris Giannini was Doris Hamner (Earl's mother) and I believe the name used in Earl's Book. He had to change the names for the tv show.
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Post by ILoveTheWaltons on Sept 13, 2014 17:22:06 GMT -5
I all ways thought that it was because this was a patriarchal time. Livy is refer to as "girl" many times in the beginning and so many times she comes off as "typical wishy washy brain". In the book(s) she does not have much power or reason for being other than to care for the children she keeps having. Gawd, the childbirth scene in the book is so heartbreaking and cold. I don't even want to think about it. Does anyone know what these books are called because I am really interested
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Post by Brenda on Sept 13, 2014 18:16:30 GMT -5
I all ways thought that it was because this was a patriarchal time. Livy is refer to as "girl" many times in the beginning and so many times she comes off as "typical wishy washy brain". In the book(s) she does not have much power or reason for being other than to care for the children she keeps having. Gawd, the childbirth scene in the book is so heartbreaking and cold. I don't even want to think about it. Does anyone know what these books are called because I am really interested Spencer's Mountain and The Homecoming.
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Post by ILoveTheWaltons on Sept 14, 2014 6:09:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know what these books are called because I am really interested Spencer's Mountain and The Homecoming. Thank you Brenda
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Post by twinkle on Sept 15, 2014 7:01:37 GMT -5
I all ways thought that it was because this was a patriarchal time. Livy is refer to as "girl" many times in the beginning and so many times she comes off as "typical wishy washy brain". In the book(s) she does not have much power or reason for being other than to care for the children she keeps having.
Gawd, the childbirth scene in the book is so heartbreaking and cold. I don't even want to think about it. Totally agree with you Scarlett. I was surprised at my reaction whilst reading the book (Spencer's Mountain) and found most of the characters quite unlikeable. The Olivia in the book is very one-dimensional, nothing more than a brood mare and I got no sense of warmth from her or of a bond between mother and son that was reciprocal. The scene where Olivia goes into labour with that very unhelpful woman keeping her company was a dreadful part to read. I think I would have hated being a part of that family whereas with the Waltons Earl created a family environment that is wonderful. I have a feeling the reality was somewhere in between. Don't forget that Rose was Olivia's cousin and when Rose arrived with the children Olivia recounted to her how Rose often cared for her when she was ill as a child. Where was her own mother then? Maybe the reason Olivia ran away with John was because she had a home life she needed to escape from as much as for her reason for being in throes of passion and wanted to be with him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 8:35:53 GMT -5
I all ways thought that it was because this was a patriarchal time. Livy is refer to as "girl" many times in the beginning and so many times she comes off as "typical wishy washy brain". In the book(s) she does not have much power or reason for being other than to care for the children she keeps having.
Gawd, the childbirth scene in the book is so heartbreaking and cold. I don't even want to think about it. Totally agree with you Scarlett. I was surprised at my reaction whilst reading the book (Spencer's Mountain) and found most of the characters quite unlikeable. The Olivia in the book is very one-dimensional, nothing more than a brood mare and I got no sense of warmth from her or of a bond between mother and son that was reciprocal. The scene where Olivia goes into labour with that very unhelpful woman keeping her company was a dreadful part to read. I think I would have hated being a part of that family whereas with the Waltons Earl created a family environment that is wonderful. I have a feeling the reality was somewhere in between. Don't forget that Rose was Olivia's cousin and when Rose arrived with the children Olivia recounted to her how Rose often cared for her when she was ill as a child. Where was her own mother then? Maybe the reason Olivia ran away with John was because she had a home life she needed to escape from as much as for her reason for being in throes of passion and wanted to be with him. I might be remembering wrong, but I think one of the books even hints at (or come right out and states it) the Clay steps out on his marriage rather frequently.
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Post by Kathy Lee on Sept 15, 2014 17:38:33 GMT -5
I all ways thought that it was because this was a patriarchal time. Livy is refer to as "girl" many times in the beginning and so many times she comes off as "typical wishy washy brain". In the book(s) she does not have much power or reason for being other than to care for the children she keeps having. Gawd, the childbirth scene in the book is so heartbreaking and cold. I don't even want to think about it. I think the childbirth scene was written from Earl Hamner's memory. Being the oldest he must have seen his mother in labor many times. I guess back then that is how a woman gave birth. They were stoic and strong.
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Post by Kathy Lee on Sept 15, 2014 17:40:13 GMT -5
I need to read the books.. I am reading "Fifty Roads to Town" right now. It is very good. It was written when Earl was around thirty.
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Post by patriciaanne on Sept 15, 2014 19:52:09 GMT -5
I need to read the books.. I am reading "Fifty Roads to Town" right now. It is very good. It was written when Earl was around thirty. I think that was his first one.
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Post by Kathy Lee on Sept 16, 2014 5:19:57 GMT -5
I am reading "Fifty Roads to Town" right now. It is very good. It was written when Earl was around thirty. I think that was his first one. From reading his books, I think Earl is a rather lusty man. As they say, "Still water runs deep." Must be that Italian blood!
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Post by patriciaanne on Sept 16, 2014 21:11:55 GMT -5
I think that was his first one. From reading his books, I think Earl is a rather lusty man. As they say, "Still water runs deep." Must be that Italian blood! Well...John-Boy DID have a lot of girlfriends! So perhaps that part WAS autobiographical.
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