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Post by JeriJet on Nov 5, 2011 13:43:18 GMT -5
There is no way John was 17-18 in 1917. He was not still in high school; he had a son born in 1916...... there is much evidence to support this..... so, it remains -- your choice to decide which episode is accurate....
The "facts" in The Prophecy (25th high school reunion in 1936) and other episodes which include evidence such as John-Boy's birth year (1916), John/Liv's 20th wedding anniversary in 1935 -- all point to an error in The Diploma or a misinterpretation of that episode by viewers....
I don't know of any other episode which points to John Sr. having been born around the turn of the century..... he was most likely born around 1893 and finished high school in 1911. It may well be that others entering the Army at the same time in 1917 were in fact still in high school......but, again, John Sr. married in 1915 and John-Boy was born in 1916.....
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Post by Marilyn on Nov 5, 2011 18:58:20 GMT -5
I'd rather just watch the episodes and not fret so much over all the minute details. It will wear you out. As we discovered some time ago, the writers were inaccurate on alot of things and some things just make no sense and never will.
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 5, 2011 19:04:12 GMT -5
Well, I'm not fretting.... sorry if I'm making other people fret. I ENJOY TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT !!!
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Post by Marilyn on Nov 5, 2011 19:28:03 GMT -5
I used to be that way too....questioned everything that seemed out of sync, but I got tired of it. Now I just watch the episodes and don't care about the details anymore. It wears off after awhile I think.
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Post by bucky on Nov 7, 2011 20:17:14 GMT -5
Well I guess I started this by wondering if anyone else's birthdate was given and it took on a life of its own. What I really meant was the day/month of their birthday - so I guess the short answer is no.
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 7, 2011 22:03:41 GMT -5
Well I guess I started this by wondering if anyone else's birthdate was given and it took on a life of its own. What I really meant was the day/month of their birthday - so I guess the short answer is no. The only others that I know of at this point are Esther (8/12/1867) and Ike (9/24/1901)..... [in addition to Cindy mentioned earlier (4/26/1925)] ....
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Post by childfree23 on Nov 10, 2011 16:17:33 GMT -5
> I was watching the show where Jim-Bob tries to sign up with the naval > reserve and gave his birthday as June 13, and I think the year was 1924. > It got me wondering if we were told anyone else's birthday on the show. > Anyone here recall a reference? Just wondering...
Yes, I remember that. The birthday thing was one of the more interesting lies Jim-Bob ever told. He was no angel as a teenager, and more than a little motivated to get into the service.
Debby
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Post by childfree23 on Nov 10, 2011 16:22:30 GMT -5
> Hmmm. I had forgotten the D-Day reference when Jim-Bob was graduating > high school.... why on Earth would they have him graduate at 20 years old ?! > So many things get "out of sync" in the later seasons...
Maybe, for reasons known only to John, Olivia, and the teacher in the one-room schoolhouse, Jim-Bob just started school late. From time to time you hear about parents doing that with boys -- starting them a year or two late so they'll be on the same maturity level as their classmates. It's done more frequently now than it was done in the 1930s, when Jim-Bob's character would have started school. I'm not saying it's right, just that some parents do it that way.
More than likely, however, it was sloppy research and sloppy writing.
Debby
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 10, 2011 17:48:11 GMT -5
He could have been left back, too -- he wasn't exactly an "A" student....
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Post by dfnmeows44 on Nov 11, 2011 7:37:04 GMT -5
Acording to Corabeth's commentary if one girl had not moved away with her family and another boy joined the Army, it would have been a different story. He HAD NOT been alert earlier in school--even though he did well in his report cards in The Unthinkable--although Elizabeth 'put him to shame with History' and he was flunking earlier in The Tailspin---
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 22:01:22 GMT -5
I thought that in the episode when they look for John's diploma from High School they realize that John left for the war before graduating, so how could he already be married to Livy, therefor JB could not be thought of until after the war?
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 13, 2011 11:11:52 GMT -5
I thought that in the episode when they look for John's diploma from High School they realize that John left for the war before graduating, so how could he already be married to Livy, therefor JB could not be thought of until after the war? "The Diploma" episode was produced in Season 8 and presumably contained yet another timeline inaccuracy, common in the later episodes and the specials..... all the earlier episodes point to John's having graduated in 1911, his marriage to Liv in 1915, John-Boy's birth in 1916, etc., etc.....
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Post by Tonyray on Nov 16, 2011 14:28:43 GMT -5
I think the point was to let people know that many boys left school early because of the wars.
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Post by Marilyn on Nov 16, 2011 19:31:17 GMT -5
If a kid starts school a year later or is left back to do a grade over again, it's normally at the suggestion of the teacher. Parent's don't like to do this, but will if they have to. I don't believe it has anything to do with the parents ideas on maturity levels?
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Post by childfree23 on Nov 16, 2011 21:18:41 GMT -5
> If a kid starts school a year later or is left back to do a grade over again, > it's normally at the suggestion of the teacher. Parent's don't like to do > this, but will if they have to. I don't believe it has anything to do with the > parents ideas on maturity levels?
Some parents think boys should start school a year later (say, kindergarten at age 6 instead of at age 5) because these boys are so "immature." I do not agree with or understand their reasoning, but I threw the idea out here on the forum because I know it happens.
I think Jim-Bob's character was written to be brighter than most kids his age in the 1940s and was probably bored in school. I also don't think he was left back -- promoted on trial, yes, but not left back.
Debby
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