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Post by JeriJet on Nov 3, 2011 19:48:26 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming the age difference between John-Boy and Jason -- I knew that had to be the case!
I've been keeping a list (calling it my Waltons timeline....) of birthdays and other dates and just came up with an addition yesterday.... in the episode where Jim-Bob runs away from home, he gives his birthday at a recruiting office as June 13, 1924. I love having something specific like that for my records!
Oops -- just read through this thread and the very first posting gives that date. SENIOR MOMENT....
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Post by childfree23 on Nov 3, 2011 19:55:52 GMT -5
Drat! I figured Jim-Bob to be born in 1926, making him eighteen when he graduated high school and enlisted to go to war, and nineteen when the war ended and he got discharged. I also figured Elizabeth to be seventeen or so -- a senior in high school -- when the first three reunion movies were made in 1982 I'm also writing a multi-part fan fiction that relies on Jim-Bob being born in 1926 and Elizabeth being born in 1930 ... but then I've never been good at math.
But because this is The Waltons, and continuity went down the tubes after Season 5, do you think I could get away with "modifying" Jim-Bob's and Elizabeth's ages just a little?
ChildFree23/Debby
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 3, 2011 19:58:17 GMT -5
Hmmm. I had forgotten the D-Day reference when Jim-Bob was graduating high school.... why on Earth would they have him graduate at 20 years old ?! So many things get "out of sync" in the later seasons....
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Post by Tonyray on Nov 4, 2011 12:52:18 GMT -5
The time line is all messed up remember that John joining the Army and went off to war before graduating from high school.
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 4, 2011 15:24:38 GMT -5
Not true -- he had graduated but the records were lost, or had not been adequately "registered" to suit the Army when he was trying to do business with them decades later.... He had been finished with school 6-7 years before he went off to WWI.
One of my favorite episodes is The Prophecy which took place in 1936 and celebrated John's 25th high school reunion....
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Post by River on Nov 4, 2011 19:01:28 GMT -5
BUT in a later episode that messed up and said John left high school in April before graduating and the army was not going to do business with him unless he has a high school diploma/GED.
THE DIPLOMA
"The intermingling of what had gone before and what lay ahead was a never ending process that touched our lives on the mountain. My father was not a man to live in the past, he honored it, but it was his way to live the time at hand. One early morning in 1943 the present was awaiting my siser Mary Ellen, and the past was ready to catch up with our father".
Nora the District Nurse has been called up into the Army Nursing Corps and she had asked Mary Ellen to take over her duties until a replacement could come. But visiting the isolated mountain folk deep in the hills, Mary Ellen meets suspicion and hostility, which she overcomes with patience and friendliness.
Part of John's work is supplying lumber for the army camp but a young over-officious Lieutenant comes saying that John's security declaration has been falsified since there is no record of him graduating from high school. John searches the house for his Diploma without success. Then Olivia unearths some dusty records of 1917 and finds out that the actual Diplomas for those who had volunteered for the war were never actually made out. With Olivia's help he decides to study to take a test to cover the graduation work. After taking the test he returns home to a family celebration.
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 4, 2011 21:41:10 GMT -5
John graduated in 1911, as his classmates attest. He was even voted "Most Likely to Succeed." When he attempted to secure some lumber work with the army, he needed his diploma but couldn't find it (don't think I have mine anymore, either.)
Liv went on a search and discovered that in 1917 (probably when John went into the army) there had been an attempt to find the record of his graduation, that it had not been registered..... I enjoyed most the part where he had to study to take exams in order to "graduate" all over again. Nice outcome.
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Post by River on Nov 4, 2011 22:01:43 GMT -5
That is not what it said in The Diploma. In the Prophecy we get one date and in the Diploma we get another that is why the timeline is screwy. In the Diploma, it said that John and a few others left school early to go to WW1 not to graduate in 1911 and then go to WW1 6 years later. Why would he leave school early in 1911? That is the point of "Then Olivia unearths some dusty records of 1917 and finds out that the actual Diplomas for those who had volunteered for the war were never actually made out. " In the Diploma, he obviously was graduating high school in 1917, yet they forgot they had John graduating in 1911. If he graduated in 1911, they would have plenty of time to fill out the diplomas bec. WW1 had not started yet.
They had 2 storylines about John graduating and the dates are messed up. That is why we are saying that the timeline is screwy.
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 4, 2011 22:13:02 GMT -5
I have no problem with the timeline in this regard. John did not leave school early. He graduated. However, when entering the Army in 1917 it was discovered that his diploma had never been registered -- this is the record that Olivia found. Unfortunately, the situation was not corrected at that time.
You have your interpretation; I have mine.
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Post by River on Nov 4, 2011 22:20:03 GMT -5
Definitely.
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 4, 2011 22:27:22 GMT -5
Consider also: John-Boy entered college in 1934, hence was born about 1916. And, John Sr. was still in high school???
Also, Esther was born in 1867 and Zeb either 1962 or 1865. So, if John Sr. was born circa 1900, Esther was 33 and Zeb at least 35. I don't think so......
I have no problem reconciling the info imparted in the two somewhat conflicting episodes. There are just a couple of sentences in each episode which you and I are interpreting differently.
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Post by River on Nov 4, 2011 22:36:21 GMT -5
You are not reading/understanding what I wrote.
No point in continuing. Believe what you want I don't care.
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Post by Marilyn on Nov 5, 2011 0:14:41 GMT -5
You are correct River. 
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Post by JeriJet on Nov 5, 2011 6:05:43 GMT -5
river, I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding you....
I guess we're coming at this from two different directions, which is why I keep coming back -- attempting to get a better understanding of your position. I can't get a grip on it, as (it appears) you can't get a grip on mine.... To me, the "preponderance of evidence" points in a different direction.
Unfortunately, a poll of members wouldn't solve the situation.
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Post by Tonyray on Nov 5, 2011 13:21:00 GMT -5
My understanding about the The Diploma was that John left school before graduating to Join the Army and go off to war and that the principal of the school said they all (all the men who did that) would graduate and get their diplomas but for some reason it never happened. My Father did the same thing at the start of WW2 He joined the Navy right after Pearl harbor and left school before graduating most of the boys in his class did the same thing but they did give him his diploma.
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